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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

Hi, first post ever here! smile

In my project list something even more strange happened... ALL other projects got deselected and only the rice project was selected. angry
I must say that I didn't like that.
-happy crunching to everybody-
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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

I have a couple workunits which are reissued, and I notice their deadline is over a week earlier than the original deadline. Specifically, a deadline of May 17, where alll the other hosts have a deadline of May 25 -- except for two who errored out and one other with a deadline May 17th.

Not a problem for me at the moment as I'm running exclusively WCG on this host. Later when I let other projects back in, it's possible the 2-day deadline would be a problem. I understand the need for speed on re-issued work, but perhaps it could be normalized to not be so much earlier than the original deadline? Or is it impossible for the scheduler to tell?

It's a database performance issue. The query would have to look up the original deadline which creates a db hit. The techs have been tossing the thing around for a while but not come up with a solution.

Fortunately the BOINC scheduler is smart and the server daemon at WCG even smarter. If you run multplei projects and start to not return work within 24-48 hours, you won't be getting any of these rush jobs.
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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

Strange things happen at the beginning of projects. If everyone did their own selections, there would be no problems. Unfortunately, they do not, and little work would get done for it. A script ran to auto select the new project for everyone, but it is now an easy thing to deselect it. Many run new projects anyway for a couple of weeks to pick up the little badges on the left side of the forum messages.

The African Climate project did not do that, because the requirements were very large.

Anyhow, we got you to make your first post here. biggrin
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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

Very TRUE!!! blushing lol!

... Anyhow, we got you to make your first post here. biggrin

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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

Strange things happen at the beginning of projects. If everyone did their own selections, there would be no problems. Unfortunately, they do not, and little work would get done for it. A script ran to auto select the new project for everyone, but it is now an easy thing to deselect it. Many run new projects anyway for a couple of weeks to pick up the little badges on the left side of the forum messages.

I can understand that it is probably a good thing for the majority of members, and that is where we obviously have to focus - but the techs need to be aware that I have been reading elsewhere of complaints and resentment from some members running large 'farms' where they did not want to run the project and were not happy about it being selected for them without being properly informed before hand, and then had to spend alot of time going through each computer aborting them all again.
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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

I was wondering what could be up with my dual core being awarded 12.7 points for this WU?

Result Name Status Sent Time Time Due /
Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 20-- Valid 05/15/2008 23:04:09 05/16/2008 12:25:21 8.02 97.6 / 110.1
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 13-- Valid 05/14/2008 19:02:11 05/15/2008 19:25:27 8.03 61.8 / 59.2
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 11-- In Progress 05/14/2008 19:01:20 05/24/2008 19:01:20 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 5-- Error 05/14/2008 18:21:35 05/15/2008 22:45:12 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 16-- Valid 05/14/2008 18:12:14 05/15/2008 04:42:31 8.03 77.4 / 76.0
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 15-- Valid 05/14/2008 18:12:05 05/16/2008 16:20:50 8.02 64.3 / 73.9
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 3-- Valid 05/14/2008 18:03:42 05/16/2008 04:15:47 8.01 89.6 / 82.7
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 1-- Valid 05/14/2008 18:02:28 05/15/2008 15:10:50 8.02 80.6 / 85.7
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 19-- Valid 05/14/2008 18:02:08 05/15/2008 15:20:43 8.03 82.2 / 81.5
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 7-- In Progress 05/14/2008 18:00:54 05/24/2008 18:00:54 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 17-- Valid 05/14/2008 17:58:04 05/15/2008 14:24:54 8.02 113.1 / 140.4
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 9-- In Progress 05/14/2008 17:56:49 05/24/2008 17:56:49 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 8-- Valid 05/14/2008 17:52:01 05/15/2008 22:09:39 8.01 58.9 / 55.3
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 6-- Valid 05/14/2008 17:43:15 05/15/2008 20:57:27 8.07 25.9 / 26.8
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 0-- Error 05/14/2008 17:40:18 05/14/2008 17:43:36 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 10-- Valid 05/14/2008 17:29:21 05/15/2008 14:18:09 8.01 91.5 / 106.9
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 2-- Valid 05/14/2008 17:17:39 05/15/2008 22:14:39 8.02 92.6 / 12.7 <---me
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 4-- Valid 05/14/2008 17:16:38 05/15/2008 13:45:28 8.01 89.4 / 79.2
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 12-- Valid 05/14/2008 17:14:55 05/16/2008 04:40:48 8.02 83.2 / 62.7
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 14-- In Progress 05/14/2008 17:14:12 05/24/2008 17:14:12 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00002_ 03114d85e03b657483b68ad6f239736e_ 15_ 18-- In Progress 05/14/2008 17:11:03 05/24/2008 17:11:03 0.00 0.0 / 0.0


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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

Diana,

please go to the result status page again and in the Status column click on the Valid link and post log. Like to see how many seeds were completed.

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confused Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

I have a similar problem to Diana- getting low granted credit for rice WU's.

R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 16-- Valid 05/14/2008 09:02:49 05/16/2008 16:44:43 8.01 84.3 / 79.1
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 18-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:37:28 05/15/2008 21:40:13 8.00 77.3 / 75.5
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 0-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:36:39 05/15/2008 05:21:37 8.00 115.5 / 132.8
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 2-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:34:53 05/15/2008 19:20:53 8.01 116.5 / 127.6
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 10-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:34:10 05/15/2008 11:19:25 8.02 29.1 / 28.9
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 8-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:32:10 05/15/2008 00:36:59 8.01 128.6 / 129.5
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 4-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:31:45 05/16/2008 17:24:05 8.00 113.0 / 101.8
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 12-- In Progress 05/14/2008 08:30:22 05/24/2008 08:30:22 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 6-- In Progress 05/14/2008 08:28:30 05/24/2008 08:28:30 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 14-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:27:21 05/15/2008 20:42:17 8.03 64.6 / 46.4
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 17-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:07:34 05/16/2008 15:12:53 8.02 114.9 / 86.9
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 15-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:02:42 05/14/2008 21:48:34 8.01 133.4 / 145.9
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 9-- Valid 05/14/2008 08:01:43 05/16/2008 07:40:12 8.03 65.3 / 44.7
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 1-- In Progress 05/14/2008 08:00:22 05/24/2008 08:00:22 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 13-- Valid 05/14/2008 07:59:43 05/15/2008 00:21:44 8.03 51.0 / 42.8
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 3-- Valid 05/14/2008 07:59:21 05/15/2008 15:43:22 8.00 115.5 / 125.7
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 7-- Valid 05/14/2008 07:59:02 05/15/2008 10:48:59 8.00 55.6 / 41.5

R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 11-- Valid 05/14/2008 07:57:46 05/16/2008 11:53:32 8.01 85.4 / 87.7
R00001_ 80c1030c9525d99862683557876c99ab_ 11_ 5-- In Progress 05/14/2008 07:56:58 05/24/2008 07:56:58 0.00 0.0 / 0.0

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Another one was 55.8 claimed and 49.4 granted. I don't undertand if the runtime for all the quorums is ~8 hours why the credit is varying to such a degree, not just for me but for other ppl as well. I have a P4 2.8/ 512 RAM. Anyways sorry to make it such a long post but just wanted some clarification confused
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Re: The Initial Rice Technical Questions Thread

Hi sick6slick,

Think Diana's is different. The claim of 92 suggest she (her computer) done allot more Units of Data or Seeds in 8 hours than your computer yet gets only about 14% of the credit her computer claimed.

Yours is a question of how many seeds your computer managed to complete in 8 hours. What happens is that all the claims are summed of the first 14 valid results. For these results also all the seeds are added up.

Suppose there is 1000 credit claimed by the first 14 and there are 40000 seeds in the total 14x8 hours of fixed crunch time. Each seed is worth 0.025 credit in that case. Multiply the seeds with that and you get the credit for your job. A fast computer will obviously do allot more seeds in 8 hours. In fact, my computer does allot more than the claim suggests it can, thus whilst the claim is always 121.8 or 121.9 per job, the credit varies from 130-150, depending how well the other 13 did in the quorum.

Back in a minute for some checking....

So, your computer is in fact on this very light weight project bringing to surface that pure calculation power is somewhat lower as the ( once every 5 days) benchmark would suggests. Certainly my own P4 was not as good as what the benchmarks suggested, usually getting less credit than claimed.

Question to you being: How does the credit compare to any of the other WCG projects? An hour is an hour is an hour so the claim should be constant over a 5 day period.

Now, is this a P4 Hyperthreaded machine running 2 jobs simultaneous or just 1 at the time?
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