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http://tinyurl.com/hfpcf

Hamas defends suicide bombing
By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - The Islamist group Hamas defended on Friday a suicide bombing that killed four Israelis as "resistance" against Israeli "crimes," putting it at odds with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who condemned the attack.

. . .

What a surprise! rolling eyes

We can only hope that the realization of the foolishness of this electoral decision will be the last obstacle in the road to a final and lasting peace. If history teaches us anything about this area of the world it is that peace simply can not be achieved through force of arms.

The Middle East is not Israeli, Palestinian, Macedonian, Roman, Mesopotamian or Turkish land. It is just another plot of dirt. raised eyebrow
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Bush stumps for 'guest worker' program in Cancun

President Bush told Mexican counterpart Vicente Fox on Thursday he supports a temporary "guest worker" program, but said the final decision belongs to Congress - where many of Bush's fellow Republicans oppose the idea.

. . .

Step 1: Clear the airway

Step 2: Stop the bleeding

Step 3: Treat the wound

By the time Congress figures out how to deal with the current 11 million illegals, the number will be 3 times that many. That is, unless Al Qaeda gets in first. d oh

We need to be concentrating our energies on sealing our borders (stopping the bleeding). frustrated
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Bush stumps for 'guest worker' program in Cancun

President Bush told Mexican counterpart Vicente Fox on Thursday he supports a temporary "guest worker" program, but said the final decision belongs to Congress - where many of Bush's fellow Republicans oppose the idea.

. . .


The good old chestnut of Illegal immigration. I always have a wry smile when US citizens and Australians start bemoaning on subject of immigration.

Still it is a problem here in the UK as well, people according to the latest poll, want a quota system for all immigrants, and the government is proposing a points system for working visas which could devasate the Indian and Chinese takaway business, and the labour intensive parts of the food industry, all of which are dependent of foreign labour.

On a lighter note the 2006 series of Reith Lectures starts on Friday, these are always a good listen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2006/
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[bb]The good old chestnut of Illegal immigration. I always have a wry smile when US citizens and Australians start bemoaning on subject of immigration.

Still it is a problem here in the UK as well, people according to the latest poll, want a quota system for all immigrants, and the government is proposing a points system for working visas which could devasate the Indian and Chinese takaway business, and the labour intensive parts of the food industry, all of which are dependent of foreign labour.

Quite a bit of the resentment here in the U.S. is the result of judicial rulings which grants full access to social welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

For example, major medical centers with Level 1 Trauma Centers that are closest to the Mexican border are under siege. You see, it is illegal to stop an ambulance from entering the U.S. Thus, when the all too frequent botched surgery in Mexico starts "going south," they simply stick the now very seriously ill patient in an ambulance and send him to "Gringoland."

Now, since you can not refuse admission to anyone who presents at a U.S. Emergency Medical Center, you now have an average of 3 months of critical care services per Mexican resident that must be provided – gratis.

"Gratis," that is, if you are not on the staff of the Medical Center. You see, by law the hospital and staff are required to provide this service without any provision for reimbursement. (Although the American Revolution was largely the result of "taxation without representation," our current policy of "appropriation without compensation" hardly raises an eyebrow! frustrated )

So, what happens to this "hidden cost"? It gets passed on eventually to the taxpayers as skyrocketing, uncontrollable medical costs.

"And the bleep goes on . . . And the bleep goes on." silly

[Just for the record, my own view is rather simplistic. Immigration is not a right. It is a privilege that a host country may choose to offer to citizens of other countries. Although the host country would be wise to employ intelligent and equitable policies in determining whom to extend this privilege, said host country has the both the legal mandate (the protection of it’s citizens) as well as the recognized legal right to exercise full discretionary regulatory control over this process.

This is not a negotiation. It is the right of national sovereignty. End of discussion.] shhh
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Hi julied,
Statistics gathered by committed activist groups are inherently suspect, so when I pull the figures out from my memory that I read several years ago, they are even more unreliable than usual. I seem to recall one report that said that California ranked 7th in the USA for high taxes paid by individuals (despite the notorious property tax freeze) but something like 34th or 37th in the value received from local and state taxes. 'Value' is a very tricky measure. They were trying to gauge the efficiency of various states in spending money. A moment of thought shows that if their measurements were valid, then California has one of the most inefficient state governments in the USA.

I suspect Immigration is drawing some blame that could better be focused elsewhere. The South Carolina state government is notoriously cheap (even chintzy) and the only local anti-immigration furor that I notice is all coming from federal bureaucrats carrying out federal anti-immigration policies.

Lawrence
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Hi julied,
Statistics gathered by committed activist groups are inherently suspect, so when I pull the figures out from my memory that I read several years ago, they are even more unreliable than usual. I seem to recall one report that said that California ranked 7th in the USA for high taxes paid by individuals (despite the notorious property tax freeze) but something like 34th or 37th in the value received from local and state taxes. 'Value' is a very tricky measure. They were trying to gauge the efficiency of various states in spending money. A moment of thought shows that if their measurements were valid, then California has one of the most inefficient state governments in the USA.

I suspect Immigration is drawing some blame that could better be focused elsewhere. The South Carolina state government is notoriously cheap (even chintzy) and the only local anti-immigration furor that I notice is all coming from federal bureaucrats carrying out federal anti-immigration policies.

Lawrence

Your point is well taken, Lawrence. To underscore your point, several years ago several Orange County municipal governments came close to bankruptcy as a result of poor option trading using city pension funds. Then there was the energy trading fiascos that lead to the recall of Governor Davis. Just last year the Mayor of San Diego was forced to resign under the pressure of enormous corruption charges (to mention just a few highlights of fiscal incompetence.)

Please forgive me, but I wish to use this opportunity to advance your observation in the manner of my own perspective. “Is this a problem of illegal immigration or of incompetent governance?”

Having lived in Southern California for most of my life (while having a wife who worked as an Emergency Medicine Physician in a major Level 1 Trauma Center close to the Mexican border) I have witnessed the huge economic burden imposed not by illegal immigration, perse, but by the unrealistic and fiscally incompetent judicial rulings and political driven policy making which characterize the decades of extremist liberal/humanistic knee jerk reactionary thinking that has dominated policy making since the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s.

While some of the motives for these policies/rulings may have originally had strong humanistic underpinnings, they have far exceeded the boundaries of prudence. This has lead to an "Era of Entitlement" in which our legal system and social welfare programs have become corrupt and ineffective in performing their legitimate and fiscally sound legislated mandate. It is no coincidence that the "epidemic of obesity" has ballooned during this same period.

While I personally applaud the efforts of anyone who is willing to work hard and take risks to improve the quality of their life, this is not the issue. The issue is the failure of the citizens of the United States to hold their elected officials responsible for the persistent poor policy decisions at all levels of government due to blatant political vote-pandering and “grease the press” cosmetic/sensationalistic journalism.

Thanks in part to your recommendation, Lawrence; it has become clear to me that our entire system of government was structurally built upon the assumption that the citizenry would use their right to vote to compel the representatives of all three branches of government to carry out the “will of the people.” If we as people do not perform our designated governmental function of casting an informed vote, the Founding Fathers (based upon sound historical analysis) made it perfectly clear that our system would collapse from the inevitable internal corruption that would rise to fill the void of voter apathy.

This is a well-established historical fact. It is not an opinion. We as citizens simply have no choice in the matter. Nor are there are any more excuses. In the “Era of the Internet” everyone is our next door neighbor. Our part in the perpetual struggle for a free and better way of life is to become informed and active voters. Americans are simply too [unconsciously] self-contemptuous and lazy to accept the responsibility that comes with performing our own legitimate role in government. It is the average American citizen who was intended by “intelligent design” to be the real policy makers in this country.

The current immigration problem did not just happen. Furthermore, it is only another symptom of a gradual and continuous system breakdown. This immigration problem was created by the complete failure of the United States government to deal with this widely known issue in a sound and legally mandated fashion many decades ago.

There are many situations in life that have really have no “good solution” simply because the only “good solution” was never to have allowed the situation to have arisen in the first place. The illegal alien issue is a very good illustration of this basic (but persistently ignored) fact of life.

However, the ultimate legal fact of life in this country is that it is the voters who must assume responsibility for this failure, not some abstract entity everyone refers to as "the government." We must get it through our heads: It is the voters who were granted the ultimate legal constitutionally designated decision making authority in our system of government – and not our elected representatives. Our entire system of government is predicated upon the 3 most powerful words ever written: “We the people.” And while our Founding Fathers may have had many disagreements, they were completely united regarding this one “all important” principle: The only legitimate and final authority in United States government is the popular vote.

As long as “we the people” continue to behave as though it is our elected representatives who possess the “real authority” in this country, then they will.

Essentially, Lawrence, we both realize that there are many complexities that must be taken into consideration when examining the true causes of the current immigration problem. Moreover, we both accept that a complete understanding of the “real issues” will only result from disciplined intellectual inquiry, clear vision and sound judgment.

Ultimately, this is all that really matters.
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However, the ultimate legal fact of life in this country is that it is the voters who must assume responsibility for this failure, not some abstract entity everyone refers to as "the government." We must get it through our heads: It is the voters who were granted the ultimate legal constitutionally designated decision making authority in our system of government – and not our elected representatives. Our entire system of government is predicated upon the 3 most powerful words ever written: “We the people.” And while our Founding Fathers may have had many disagreements, they were completely united regarding this one “all important” principle: The only legitimate and final authority in United States government is the popular vote.


Unfortunately we live in a world of abstractions, where we and politicans talk of taxpayers, voters, employers etc as if they were wholly separate entities when we are one and the samething. What is more frightening is that there is a general misconception amongst alot of people that they are different entities.

We also live in a world which has gained an ever worsening culture of blame, where nobody appears able to take responsibility for thier own actions (or inaction).

A classic example is this story which has been running in our local free newspaper for some time:

Grieving mum slams police
A GRIEVING mother has accused the police of "going round in circles" as they carry out a review into the investigation of her teenage son's death.

http://tinyurl.com/ekg4m

Whilst I have every sympathy for the mother, she seems to want to blame everyone except her son for his death, and lets face it the inquest could find no reason why he should have ridden his motorcycle into the back of a parked lorry, other than he was not paying attention to the road.

We also live in a world where common sense has dissappeared out the window, and that includes the legal system. Following an accident at work where an idiot put his hand in a machine, whilst he had a safety override key activiated and managed to successfully get compensation on the grounds that he was not explicity told not to put his hand in the machine. Anyone in their right mind and with a little commonsence would say if you have overridden all the safety systems on a machine you don't go sticking your hand inside when it is running but it appears the legal system says otherwise. Thus I am having to rewrite all the management system procedures to explicitly include all the don'ts, no matter how insignificant and illogical they may seem.
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Now here is some real irony for you, bb.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4880328.stm

Air trends 'amplifying' warming

"Reduced air pollution and increased water evaporation appear to be adding to man-made global warming.

"Research presented at a major European science meeting adds to other evidence that cleaner air is letting more solar energy through to the Earth's surface."


. . .

Mankind certainly does seem to have a certain "creative flair" for wanton destructiveness. rolling eyes
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Now here is some real irony for you, bb.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4880328.stm

Air trends 'amplifying' warming

"Reduced air pollution and increased water evaporation appear to be adding to man-made global warming.

"Research presented at a major European science meeting adds to other evidence that cleaner air is letting more solar energy through to the Earth's surface."


Mankind certainly does seem to have a certain "creative flair" for wanton destructiveness. rolling eyes


Ah the law of unexpected consequences.

But we also have the flair for creating great beauty.

Well I listened to Daniel Barenboim giving the first of his Reith lectures , as usual it looks like being a very interesting series, even more so given some of the locations from where he will be speaking i.e. Ramallah and Jerusalem

I also spent the week listening again to the 2004 series entitled 'The Climate of Fear' given by Wole Soyinka, I had forgotton how topical it was to many of the discussions we have had in this thread.
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[bb]Ah the law of unexpected consequences.

But we also have the flair for creating great beauty.

Unfortunately, my friend, this claim can only be made from a myopic and spectacularly anthropomorphic point of view. Architectural monuments, works of art and so on are beautiful to man only because man is man.

Is there anything more incredible, beautiful, inspiring (and vital to our own survival) than nature in all of its pristine magnificence? From the deforestation of the Amazon rain forest to the harvesting of baby seals, angry the facts are apalling and irrefutable. We are literally a blight set loose upon planet Earth. This is not from some “tree-hugging-granola” (gag me with a spoon rolling eyes ). I am talking about clear-eyed reality testing unfettered by the stupidity of artificial value judgments and self serving rationalizations.

Until we accept the naked truth of whom and what we really are, we can not change what we are otherwise destined to become/do. praying
Well I listened to Daniel Barenboim giving the first of his Reith lectures , as usual it looks like being a very interesting series, even more so given some of the locations from where he will be speaking i.e. Ramallah and Jerusalem

I also spent the week listening again to the 2004 series entitled 'The Climate of Fear' given by Wole Soyinka, I had forgotton how topical it was to many of the discussions we have had in this thread.

The first installment of the Reith lectures was surprisingly (to me) entertaining. Thank you for the suggestion. “The world without music would be a mistake” seemed closer to my own sentiments than is “sonorous air”. But then again, I have a soft-spot for the Existentialist Gestalt. tongue
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