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Thread: Regarding ARP1 and MCM1 download issues since ARP1's launch on Monday Nov 4th, 2024 |
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Boca Raton Community HS
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We are starting to see a minor improvement. If I could quantify the improvement, I would put it at 10%.
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imakuni
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Long time WCGer here...I've got about 15 machines, mostly Macs, that have been only returning 1/10th to 1/5th the WUs they normally crunch over the past ~week. I only process MCM. Currently I do not have the time to connect to all the different Macs (only have 1 keyboard and 1 monitor) to write down details of exactly what is going on with BOINC so right now I cannot tell you if there are errors in the client, or WUs that are stuck at 13%, or some other info. Can someone give us a laymens' answer on what we should do (if anything)? Such as, should I reboot the Macs? Or kill all the tasks and ask for more? Or detach from MCM and reconnect? Or change some preference in the client? On a side note, it sure would be nice if WCG could post something on this (very important) thread about what the overall fix is on their end, when it will be fixed, etc. Stop crunching for WCG and set up another boinc project. Sorry if this is not the answer you're looking for, but it's the only correct one if you want a hassle free, no additional intervention solution. It is unfortunate, but there is nothing you can do to actually fix the issue. At best, you can try to sidestep it, but it won't actually fix anything, for the problem is on the servers, not on your end.  Want to have an image of yourself like this on? Check this thread: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,29840 |
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TPCBF
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 2, 2011 Post Count: 1948 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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We are starting to see a minor improvement. If I could quantify the improvement, I would put it at 10%. After having it pretty bad over the weekend, where some hosts "died of fuel starvation"  due to both stuck downloads and uploads, it is much better today, though not without the need for some manual transfer retries.The time is takes to download a whole set of files for one (1) ARP WU is on average down today from about half a day to 15-20 minutes. Not sure how you were calculating your 10% estimate though... Ralf  |
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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 258 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Anyway, as for MCM1, just manually retry the transfers until you have a working number of WUs, then let the rest settle on its own. Do I *NEED* to manually retry or will this problem just fix itself within a few days? Again, I have about 15 computers but yet only 1 keyboard/monitor...so this would be very time consuming to go around manually retrying (if that even works or possibly I may need to manually retry several times on each machine) on all 15 computers. I'm hoping I can just wait this out and it magically goes back to normal in 24-48 hours.  |
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ericinboston
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Stop crunching for WCG and set up another boinc project. Sorry if this is not the answer you're looking for, but it's the only correct one if you want a hassle free, no additional intervention solution. It is unfortunate, but there is nothing you can do to actually fix the issue. At best, you can try to sidestep it, but it won't actually fix anything, for the problem is on the servers, not on your end. Well, I really only want to crunch for Cancer research...so if you or others here can recommend a non-WCG project(s) on Wintel and Mac, I'm all ears. On a related note (if anyone from WCG is listening or even cares), I'm quite sad and mad that this is what has become of WCG...it ran fine on IBM's watch for 10+ years...then Krembil acquires it, takes over a year to migrate it, and it's been nothing but a disaster since Krembil touched it. Not only that, the entire experience (website, forums, features/useability) hasn't changed a bit...it's the same old thing but it just now runs horrifically. Krembil should have just simply re-written the entire application from scratch after Month 5 of realizing this "migration" was a dumpster fire and was sending volunteers running for the hills. How hard is it, in 2022 to write a simple client/server application? I'm no programmer by trade these days, but I've programmed plenty in C, Java, VB, and even Assembler. While trying not to oversimplify WCG, it's a database with a User Profile table, Project(s) table(s), WUs table, and managing sending/receiving WUs and results to/from the BOINC app. The webpage is mostly static content other than the Forums. I am extremely passionate about the cancer research, as you can see by my stats. And those stats don't account for the ~6 months I stopped participating this year as well as the never ending WCG server problems as well as the ~1 year Great Migration. I'm not sure what Krembil is actually trying to accomplish with their extremely poor attempt to keep WCG working in any kind of reliable fashion. [Edit 1 times, last edit by ericinboston at Nov 12, 2024 12:59:53 AM] |
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Robokapp
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you can get an autoclicker widget program and have it automatically hit 'retry' every 30 seconds forever.
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TPCBF
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you can get an autoclicker widget program and have it automatically hit 'retry' every 30 seconds forever. PLEASE, do NOT do this! This will just make the situation worse for everyone. The issue with the downloads is not the bandwidth of WCG's internet connection but the number of concurrent connections to the database server(s) that are providing the data files. And trying too often to retry will create a lot of additional connections before the previous ones have been actually droppped...Ralf |
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Seoulpowergrid
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Do I *NEED* to manually retry or will this problem just fix itself within a few days? Again, I have about 15 computers but yet only 1 keyboard/monitor...so this would be very time consuming to go around manually retrying (if that even works or possibly I may need to manually retry several times on each machine) on all 15 computers. I'm hoping I can just wait this out and it magically goes back to normal in 24-48 hours. Considering the larger number of machines on your end, I'd just walk away for a few days and let things settle by themselves. As others have mentioned, the downloads are working better today than the last few days. I've poked my main machine a few times this morning, seemed to work, have been downloading steadily the last hour. Don't let it stress you, my friend.  |
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TPCBF
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 2, 2011 Post Count: 1948 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Anyway, as for MCM1, just manually retry the transfers until you have a working number of WUs, then let the rest settle on its own. Do I *NEED* to manually retry or will this problem just fix itself within a few days? Again, I have about 15 computers but yet only 1 keyboard/monitor...so this would be very time consuming to go around manually retrying (if that even works or possibly I may need to manually retry several times on each machine) on all 15 computers. I'm hoping I can just wait this out and it magically goes back to normal in 24-48 hours. But are you honestly telling me that you have 15 headless machines sitting there without having the ability to remotely access them?   I can most of my hosts (unless remote laptops and a handful of desktops that are behind firewall/routers that I don't control) access remotely via VNC (the best one on macOS seems to be TigerVNC, forget RealVNC!, but none is as nice to use as TightVNC on Windows), no need to keep attaching/deattaching keyboard and mouse each time... Ralf |
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danwat1234
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Well, I really only want to crunch for Cancer research...so if you or others here can recommend a non-WCG project(s) on Wintel and Mac, I'm all ears. Folding@home and set your clients to prefer Cancer research. You could keep both projects active at once on all cores but would reduce efficiency somewhat 2 tasks on each core) and watch the deadlines. We haven't done all we can until both networks have a shortage of work units everyday!  |
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