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halldor.usa
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

With my configurations, all work units on all projects complete well under 24 hours, with the exception that my slower computers make take up to 28 hours for ARP work units.

I only have my cache set for .5 day, which is plenty to keep my computers busy if the WGC WU distribution goes down for a few hours.

We also need to keep in mind that FAH2 work units are generated from previously returned WUs, which is not the case for all WGC projects.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

I don't think that bigger buffer size will got u more WUs for FAH2. You can leave it on 1 day or 10 days, but with limited amount of work, yours PC will only got one stock of WUs most probably similar to number of cores it has. At least that is in my case. FAH2 is slight more CPU demanding than MCM. As I can recall, time for completing old and new FAH2 WUs is almost the same.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

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Funny what one can do with the forum filters. Only 8 of 46, which is 17% of the posts in this thread came from you so far.

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg...=0&sort=1&rows=20

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Thx for info :) Is that good or bad? :)
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

Agreed, @kapetan_proton, I did not see a daily increase in FAH2 work units when I set the cache to higher number for hours.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

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We also need to keep in mind that FAH2 work units are generated from previously returned WUs, which is not the case for all WGC projects.


It seems that ARP is also using this methodology.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

FAH2 is little more time than MCM for me 3 hours dayly i had 31 FAH2 on One day
now sinds the change 0 WU for FAH
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

It's always been my feeling that any speed gains FAHB gets by using a 1 day deadline are stolen from other projects. It's only because of the lack of other work on other WCG projects that I continue to support FAHB with a 1 day deadline at all.

just look at the computing years each project has been getting and then tell us how much FAHB has 'stolen' from other projects.
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It's always been my feeling that any speed gains FAHB gets by using a 1 day deadline are stolen from other projects. It's only because of the lack of other work on other WCG projects that I continue to support FAHB with a 1 day deadline at all.

But it is one of the only project which depends on work returned to generate more work. If someone has 10 + 10 days stored and cached, that slows down work generation tremendously with even this 7 day deadline. Worse case there but you get my meaning.
In addition project preferences allow one to set how many WUs are sent to each machine.
OT, but I hope CPDN's ridiculously long deadlines get shortened in a similar manner, too.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

Sorry, but I'm missing the downside to the 7 day deadline. With the short deadline, the FAH WU's just pushed themselves to the head of the line for processing, leaving other projects to wait until their time was nearly up and everything ended up running at high priority.
With a 7 day deadline, they should fit in with the rest of the projects. Yes, I'd expect a temporary lull in completed WUs until they catch up, but now they play well with others.
I can understand if someone wants to dedicate a machine to only run FAH, but if you want to support the wider population (and help the FAH project also!) it seems to work more smoothly if FAH matches the pace of other projects.
Please let me know if there's something that I'm missing!
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Sorry, but I'm missing the downside to the 7 day deadline. With the short deadline, the FAH WU's just pushed themselves to the head of the line for processing, leaving other projects to wait until their time was nearly up and everything ended up running at high priority.
With a 7 day deadline, they should fit in with the rest of the projects. Yes, I'd expect a temporary lull in completed WUs until they catch up, but now they play well with others.
I can understand if someone wants to dedicate a machine to only run FAH, but if you want to support the wider population (and help the FAH project also!) it seems to work more smoothly if FAH matches the pace of other projects.
Please let me know if there's something that I'm missing!

What you may be missing is that each FAH WU is one stage out of about 150 to 200 that make up a total run; if each stage might take as long as 7 days to turn over, the total time to complete an experiment could be several years (at which point, why bother running the experiments at all?!?)

There are, of course. two ways one can moderate the amount of FAH2 work that runs on a machine. One approach is to use an app_config.xml file to limit the number of FAH2 tasks that can run at the same time. The other is to use a WCG device profile to limit FAH2 to some appropriate small number of tasks downloaded at any one time. The best approach may be to combine the two techniques - for example, on an 8-core machine ask for up to three FAH2 tasks at a time but only run two at a time...

(Applying some sort of limits using the above technique is even more important for MIP1 because of the way it thrashes L3 cache! But that's another topic for another forum.)

And if you think that sounds like unnecessary effort to achieve an effect, I would point out that, before they implemented the "send at most X" mechanism, I sometimes had to stop accepting MCM1 or SCC1 work because I wasn't being sent anything but - if you have a mixed workload, it should balance out unless you only select the long-running (and less available) tasks such as ARP1 and HST1 to keep FAH2 company!

By the way, the first FAH2 work units had 10 times as many iterations per unit, a deadline of four days and a trickle mechanism that made a lot of people very unhappy - browse early threads in this forum for evidence of that!

I hope the above helps...

Cheers - Al.
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