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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

Your data might proof the case. Not had a single FAHB WU since your switch. At any rate, think any limited availability project should be having the randomizer applied.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

Lavaflow, Let me change the createWork script for FAHB to be randomized as well. This should help normalize the results in host distribution. However it will require us to gather more data after the 7 day test.

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Thanks and of course 1 arrived right after, a _1 for an no-reply, which inherited the 24 hour deadline and thusly by BOINC rule shot to the top. The _0 was 1 hour too late reported. At least that part will than be cut to size, slower project but less overdues, speculating.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

I have continued to have a steady supply of FAHB work units. I am noticing however, that because I keep short queues, due to looking for ARP units, that changing the deadline to 7 days will have zero effect on how long the duration will be between the receipt of a unit and when the unit will be returned. If there is a significant portion of machines which are configured in a like manner, this may skew the results to show no or slight difference. Just a thought.
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Thx on fast answer uplinger. So far i have almost none of FAH2 downloaded since 7 days deadline started. My machines are running 24/7, and done less work on FAH2. Also, I don't think it's real to compare same deadline on projects that have different amount of work available for download. If people complain so much on short deadline, there are other projects that can be worked on. Not all of my machines can do FAH2 because of memory restrictions (2 older laptops), but they can do MCM just fine for example.
I don't know is reason for less work units some stack of FAH2 on computers waiting to be done parallel with other projects users running or lack of new generations created for same reason, but this is just my opinion so far. 24h deadline isn't so bad because you only need to start tasks in that period and sent results back couple hours after that time, so in real, you have slight more than 24h for your result to be valid. That is my experience so far, because one of my devices isn't 24/7 online, and lot of times i have sent results more than 6h after deadline, but they were started and completed in 24h period. Maybe best of both worlds would be some 48h or 72h deadline, and see how that goes. I'm just fine with 24h deadline.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

Thanks for the feedback. The reason I think this project works best for capturing the differences is due to the stability of the work units running. Unlike many of the other projects, that could see a change between batches, FAHB is running the same batches with just minor variances in the work units with each generation.

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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

no more FAH work efther the switch i running dry in 4 hours , 1 arp in too weeks ,2 hst in too weeks :-(
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

A couple of suggestions for other things to try, don't know how practical they are, but

a) 7 day deadlines WU's but only sent to machines that manage to complete units within 3 days on average. (Not sure ECG keeps stats on average return times per device). That'd give more leeway in returning so there are fewer resends for devices that return only an hour or two late but without the full penalty of 7 day returns being the norm.

b) run multiple batches at once with 7 day deadlines e.g. 3 so that overall processing of FAH isn't delayed. Instead of waiting for units from one batch to be returned to generate more units there would be 3 on the go in parallel so they would all end up being out of sync, meaning there would always be some batches waiting on units being returned, but some would have just had theirs returned and have generated the next WU's. It would just mean that instead of getting results of batches in a serial fashion 0001, 0002,0003,0004 and analysing one per week, say, the researchers would get nothing for a 3 weeks then get 001-0002-0003, then a 3 week gap and then 0004-0005-0006 would arrive. But they'd be able to analyse the first batches in the 3 weeks gap whilst they were waiting on the next clump to show up. So no time would be lost overall.

As I said there may be technical reasons why it isn't possible, but just throwing a couple of ideas out there.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

I am noticing however, that because I keep short queues, due to looking for ARP units, that changing the deadline to 7 days will have zero effect on how long the duration will be between the receipt of a unit and when the unit will be returned.

That makes sense to me. I am not doing FAHB at the moment, mainly due to limited supply. But it worked well for me because I kept the default buffer (0.1 + 0.5 days), and it was the only project running.

In other words, if you wanted to make it work, you had to do something like that. So just extending the deadlines should be invisible I would think. Carry on.
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Re: 7 Day Deadlines for Test

Just look at results output! Results returned per day cut more than half! If the goal is to speed up the research this is not the way to go! Buffer size don't have much impact on work u will receive for this project. In my case, machines pick up work depends on cores they have. For example, I got 8 taks and they run until finished and FAH2 is set to unlimited work units. When job is done, host simple need to wait for new ones. That is how it's done in my case. Because of limited work I can't have FAH2 running all the time, but it was picked up pretty often before deadline extended.
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