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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
I've been running a Beta resend task for over 8.5 hours. Now I see that the recipient who caused my resend finished late and that job was valid. I hope that after all this time I don't lose everything if the server decides to abort the task. I am the top task with _3.

BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 3-- Microsoft Windows 10 Core x64 Edition, (10.00.14393.00) - In Progress 10/13/16 05:57:25 10/14/16 15:33:24 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 2-- Microsoft Windows 8.1 Enterprise x64 Edition, (06.03.9600.00) 704 Valid 10/11/16 20:21:25 10/13/16 10:59:15 18.00 205.0 / 544.8
BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 1-- Microsoft x64 Edition, (10.00.14393.00) 704 Valid 10/7/16 20:21:38 10/11/16 17:44:26 18.00 544.8 / 544.8
BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 0-- Microsoft Windows 10 Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00) - No Reply 10/7/16 20:21:23 10/11/16 20:21:23 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
I've been running a Beta resend task for over 8.5 hours. Now I see that the recipient who caused my resend finished late and that job was valid. I hope that after all this time I don't lose everything if the server decides to abort the task. I am the top task with _3.

Your run time will count, but the credit will be (very) low: ~60 credits
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
The banana question, why 60 and not 544.8, which is the canonical for the first 2?

Once started jobs are not aborted unless there's a 'no longer usable' state, or tech intervention.

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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
The banana question, why 60 and not 544.8, which is the canonical for the first 2?

Dunno! Just seeing what happens. All Valids have done the same work, at least had the same cpu hours.
Examples:

BETA_ E299901_ 169_ S.320.C32H18N2O4S4.JIHNZWZDWZJVLB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 2-- Linux 3.2.0-110-generic 704 Valid 10/11/16 20:21:18 10/12/16 14:24:47 18.00 502.8 / 62.3
BETA_ E299901_ 169_ S.320.C32H18N2O4S4.JIHNZWZDWZJVLB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 1-- Linux 4.4.0-38-generic 704 Valid 10/7/16 20:21:16 10/11/16 23:40:30 18.00 362.8 / 498.2
BETA_ E299901_ 169_ S.320.C32H18N2O4S4.JIHNZWZDWZJVLB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 0-- Linux 4.4.0-31-generic 704 Valid 10/7/16 20:20:11 10/11/16 16:32:20 18.00 498.2 / 498.2

BETA_ E299901_ 769_ S.314.C26H6N8S6.BBDOWQVCLPMRIS-UHFFFAOYNA-N.13_ s1_ 14_ 3-- Linux 3.2.0-110-generic 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:58:23 10/12/16 13:01:59 18.00 502.7 / 58.0
BETA_ E299901_ 769_ S.314.C26H6N8S6.BBDOWQVCLPMRIS-UHFFFAOYNA-N.13_ s1_ 14_ 2-- Linux 3.19.0-32-generic 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:57:46 10/12/16 13:15:44 18.00 331.0 / 58.0
BETA_ E299901_ 769_ S.314.C26H6N8S6.BBDOWQVCLPMRIS-UHFFFAOYNA-N.13_ s1_ 14_ 1-- Linux 4.4.0-31-generic 704 Valid 10/7/16 18:57:55 10/11/16 23:41:12 16.79 464.3 / 464.3
BETA_ E299901_ 769_ S.314.C26H6N8S6.BBDOWQVCLPMRIS-UHFFFAOYNA-N.13_ s1_ 14_ 0-- Linux 3.5.0-23-generic 704 Valid 10/7/16 18:57:44 10/11/16 21:33:08 18.00 309.5 / 464.3
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
The pattern is, there's no pattern [and humans are exquisitely expert in seeing patterns when there's none, just random noise. Annoying grime in the whole points topic, the TSIB in this one, practically 1/8th exact and is that not how many checkpoints there were many moons ago :?
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
Crystal Pellet was right. Got credit for the time and only 68.1 credits.

BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 3-- Microsoft Windows 10 Core x64 Edition, (10.00.14393.00) 704 Valid 10/13/16 05:57:25 10/13/16 21:21:15 14.97 466.9 / 68.1
BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 2-- Microsoft Windows 8.1 Enterprise x64 Edition, (06.03.9600.00) 704 Valid 10/11/16 20:21:25 10/13/16 10:59:15 18.00 205.0 / 544.8
BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 1-- Microsoft x64 Edition, (10.00.14393.00) 704 Valid 10/7/16 20:21:38 10/11/16 17:44:26 18.00 544.8 / 544.8
BETA_ E299901_ 13_ S.326.C37H21N5O6.UGWDGGURFNXZIB-UHFFFAOYNA-N.14_ s1_ 14_ 0-- Microsoft Windows 10 Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00) - No Reply 10/7/16 20:21:23 10/11/16 20:21:23 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
Let's see, 544.8 / 68.1 = ? (Yes you guessed it, a very exact 8/1th)

QED (that those in charge are not interested in fixing the persistent annoyance)
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
Rob, you're right. 12.5% of the originally 2 tasks.

Another example:

BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 2-- Linux 3.2.0-110-generic 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:56:08 10/12/16 13:01:59 18.00 503.4 / 73.8
BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 1-- Linux 3.10.0-327.13.1.el7.x86_64 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:56:05 10/12/16 12:00:44 14.56 424.1 / 590.1
BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 0-- Linux 4.4.0-34-generic 704 Valid 10/7/16 18:55:46 10/11/16 22:23:11 17.98 590.1 / 590.1

The resend is punished, working hard to get the job done within the short deadline of 33.6 hours.
The original BETA_*_0 returning after the deadline of 96 hours, but before the already started resend is able to return.
Normally in BOINC-land all 3 will get the same credit in such a situation, but ..sighhh.. this is WCG-land.
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
Rob, you're right. 12.5% of the originally 2 tasks.

Another example:

BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 2-- Linux 3.2.0-110-generic 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:56:08 10/12/16 13:01:59 18.00 503.4 / 73.8
BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 1-- Linux 3.10.0-327.13.1.el7.x86_64 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:56:05 10/12/16 12:00:44 14.56 424.1 / 590.1
BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 0-- Linux 4.4.0-34-generic 704 Valid 10/7/16 18:55:46 10/11/16 22:23:11 17.98 590.1 / 590.1 <-- ME biggrin

The resend is punished, working hard to get the job done within the short deadline of 33.6 hours.
The original BETA_*_0 returning after the deadline of 96 hours, but before the already started resend is able to return.
Normally in BOINC-land all 3 will get the same credit in such a situation, but ..sighhh.. this is WCG-land.

I have several of those 12.5% specials too. tongue
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Re: Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Beta Oct 6, 2016 [ Issues Thread ]
Rob, you're right. 12.5% of the originally 2 tasks.

Another example:

BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 2-- Linux 3.2.0-110-generic 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:56:08 10/12/16 13:01:59 18.00 503.4 / 73.8
BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 1-- Linux 3.10.0-327.13.1.el7.x86_64 704 Valid 10/11/16 18:56:05 10/12/16 12:00:44 14.56 424.1 / 590.1
BETA_ E299901_ 123_ S.302.C34H26N8O2.RQYSBXVIMYABON-UHFFFAOYNA-N.11_ s1_ 14_ 0-- Linux 4.4.0-34-generic 704 Valid 10/7/16 18:55:46 10/11/16 22:23:11 17.98 590.1 / 590.1 <-- ME biggrin

The resend is punished, working hard to get the job done within the short deadline of 33.6 hours.
The original BETA_*_0 returning after the deadline of 96 hours, but before the already started resend is able to return.
Normally in BOINC-land all 3 will get the same credit in such a situation, but ..sighhh.. this is WCG-land.

I have several of those 12.5% specials too. tongue


Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have decreased the number of jobs the validator expected to 5. This will be fixed for future results that are validated due to the type B work units.

Thanks,
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