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pramo
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 14, 2005 Post Count: 703 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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If the Alphas are unstable in a test environment and causing errors in the computational returns, why waste time pushing them outside? They will still be both unstable and unreliable, diverting cycles from stable WU's - I'm quite content to wait for the Alphas to be running consistently before they are sent into the wild as Betas. Lets face it, there are often a few issues arising from the Betas, why risk having that extrapolated to hundreds of problems to be checked and cross-ref'ed by the Techs - that's a bigger problem to solve and likely to delay everything further than necessary. Patience was a virtue, now it's an App!!! Techs - Please take your time to sort out the Alphas and then let's have a 'shed load' of Betas please!!!! ^This. Not that I'm impatient or anything....  Beta Testing 2,113,023 3,988 1:356:17:34:57  |
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RT
Master Cruncher USA - Texas - DFW Joined: Dec 22, 2004 Post Count: 2636 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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We are in the final stages of the alpha testing. However, we have been here for a couple of weeks. What has blocking us for going into beta testing at this time is one technical issue that either crashes the application or causes it to generate inconsistent results. We are digging deep into this one but it is taking longer than expected. Once we clear this issue and have a clean alpha testing run, we should be clear to start a beta test. Sorry that we cannot provide a clearer answer at this time. Thanks. It is helpful to know what you can tell us and not be completely in the dark. |
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Former Member
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Hello nanoprobe,
Kevin,has there ever been any thought given to letting some of us do some of the alpha testing?  My idea of alpha testing may be old-fashioned. It involves a highly specialized software environment using an array of expensive compiler tools to track down bugs. What is your view?Lawrence |
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nasher
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 2, 2005 Post Count: 1422 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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nice to hear its comming soon... scaleing back my work on other projects and cutting my work units getting ready to hopefully get the new work with my computer that is wandering
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hello nanoprobe, Kevin,has there ever been any thought given to letting some of us do some of the alpha testing? My idea of alpha testing may be old-fashioned. It involves a highly specialized software environment using an array of expensive compiler tools to track down bugs. What is your view?Lawrence Had no idea it was that involved. I was hoping it would have them send WUs to testers and then return the results for the techs to analyze. The thought was that more alpha testers would help with sorting out problems with new apps. 
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Our development/testing process, in short, consists of:
* Running the initial application unmodified * Modify the app to add checkpointing, trimming unnecessary output, etc * Run this modified version in standalone (i.e. not under the boinc client) and test that it reproduces results equivalent to the unmodified form * Next is what we call alpha testing (but probably could also be called integration testing). This is where we put the research binary onto our test BOINC grid and run a set of workunits against it (workunits at this stage are built using our production processes). We have a 15 or so test virtual machines, some physical machines (like macs), plus all of our workstations from the team that are running the client and are connected to our test boinc grid. The virtual machines are built so that the client is killed and restarted every 3 hours to stress test checkpointing. * Once we have stable results out of alpha and the results are verified as correct by the researchers, we are then able to go beta testing which is where we get your help to run across a much greater diversity of machine types and look to see what happens. * Once that is stable we get to launch Hope this helps everyone understand what we are doing. |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2977 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Thanks Kevin for your detailed input into what goes on 'behind the scenes' when attempting to bring a new project to fruition. Information such as this, all helps people understand what a challenging process it can be at times, and hence, why Beta's can not really be predicted - other than saying "they'll be ready for Beta testing, when they're ready".
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gomeyer
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 11, 2008 Post Count: 161 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Interesting Process Kevin, thanks for the input.
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks for the explanation. Suggest you alert the new project team to have allot of storage space to receive wu results. With the lack of projects, folks are itching to gain a new badge. The new project will get hammered quick.
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kateiacy
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 23, 2010 Post Count: 1027 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thank you for the detailed update, Kevin! Wishing you lots of success in working out the issues on this new project! Can't wait to beta test, and then run it for real!
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