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Thread: 25 days of work remaining for Help Conquer Cancer |
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cjslman
Master Cruncher Mexico Joined: Nov 23, 2004 Post Count: 2082 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The reason being that I have about $2-3 worth tied up in hardware that I otherwise have no use for. huh... I think something is missing from the amount  CJSL Crunching for a better world.... |
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Former Member
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Hello twilyth,
----------------------------------------On 1 April 2013 seippel posted here We are also looking at our future projects to see if they could benefit from GPU processing as well. This means that there are no GPU projects in the current pipeline. Lawrence eliminated lame attempt at humor.  [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 6, 2013 2:33:26 AM] |
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Former Member
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I put in nearly a pound, and I'm equally devastated.
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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My curiosity was more along the lines of WCG having a requirement of new projects having enough work to do to last a certain number of months. If a new project is willing to do it on GPU but finish in a month, then obviously WCG would turn it down in this scenario. However, the scientists could just leave it on CPU to get WCG to pick it up and then later introduce their GPU app thus finishing early. I was wondering if this logic is applied when promoting new projects. Obviously this is an extreme example, but there are many jaded by the sudden ending of projects recently. I for one am glad they finished early, so please don't think I'm being negative. That puts the cart before the horse. The purpose of any of these projects is to do the science. In case that can be done on a GPU more efficiently than a CPU, so much the better. Why handicap the project with a requirement that a CPU be used? In fact, while I would like my GPUs to be used as much as possible, if they sit idle that just means all the work for them has been finished. It is good for the science that it be done fast, and saves on electric bills. On a somewhat related subject, if you are interested in astronomy the Einstein@Home project is interesting, and seems to have a lot of work for the moment. It does well on both Nvidia and AMD, with maybe a slight edge to AMD at the moment. I would prefer biomedical research or finding new materials myself, but Einstein would be a good alternative use for my HD 7770s; finding pulsars is worthwhile in the astronomical world. Jim...either you miss my point or you are adding a partial opinion on what I'm getting at. Currently WCG does have a requirement for new projects. They don't want a project crunching here knowing that there is little work to process. However, If a project is trying to get on the grid, it would almost be smarter to play dumb and just claim CPU. Then release a GPU app after to complete it fast. Now, I'm not saying that is good or bad from a general standpoint because we tend to believe all science brought here should be worthy. However, when looking to future GPU potential projects, there would be a double standard involved.     |
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Jim1348
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 13, 2009 Post Count: 1066 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Coleslaw,
I missed your point in that case. Yes, gaming the system is bad, but I doubt that the WCG people would fall for it. But when GPU becomes more common, WCG might have to change their qualification criteria. A month's worth of GPU work might equal two year's worth of CPU work. It would be unfortunate if the technological advance to faster processors kept some projects from qualifying that would otherwise do so. |
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Former Member
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WCG is here to provide otherwise unavailable computer power, if it can be done "inhouse" in a year, there is no need to go "to the grid" and get it done in 2 weeks. By going to the grid, you have to share, inhouse you do not.
It takes the techs several months of in house testing to get a project ready for release to the grid, it has to work across all platforms, multiable OS, maintain system security, etc. Why spend the effort if by the time Beta is done, all wu have been processed. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2129 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The reason being that I have about $2-3 worth tied up in hardware that I otherwise have no use for. huh... I think something is missing from the amount CJSL Crunching for a better world.... Yes. That's all I'm going to say though.  Hello twilyth, On 1 April 2013 seippel posted here We are also looking at our future projects to see if they could benefit from GPU processing as well. This means that there are no GPU projects in the current pipeline. Lawrence eliminated lame attempt at humor. Hmm, curious about that last comment, but . . . oh well, I trust your judgement.  Thanks LH. I really should know this sort of thing by now, but since I have such a selective memory (mind like a steel sieve, yuk yuk), I'm guessing that would be a minimum of 6 months - yes? Thanks.  edit: assuming someone came bursting through the doors tomorrow with a new project.   [Edit 1 times, last edit by twilyth at Apr 6, 2013 11:26:06 AM] |
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Jim1348
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 13, 2009 Post Count: 1066 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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WCG is here to provide otherwise unavailable computer power, if it can be done "inhouse" in a year, there is no need to go "to the grid" and get it done in 2 weeks. By going to the grid, you have to share, inhouse you do not. It takes the techs several months of in house testing to get a project ready for release to the grid, it has to work across all platforms, multiable OS, maintain system security, etc. Why spend the effort if by the time Beta is done, all wu have been processed. Quite true, but that depends on the level of hardware and software complexity. If they have to support both CPUs and GPUs (of all types), that drives the breakpoint to larger projects. If they can just deal with one vendor above a certain minimum level of GPU and one operating system (not to mention any names), that may allow them to actually deal with more "small" projects. But that is for WCG, along with the project developers to decide. It can not be determined in a vacuum, but based upon the technology available at any given time. |
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Mike.Gibson
Ace Cruncher England Joined: Aug 23, 2007 Post Count: 12120 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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It loooks as though I will just miss out on my first ever emerald as it will take another 28 days of my 2 cores. Hopefully some crunchers will stop when they reach their next target.
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2977 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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It loooks as though I will just miss out on my first ever emerald as it will take another 28 days of my 2 cores. Hopefully some crunchers will stop when they reach their next target. Mike, hopefully you will reach your 1 year target (don't ever give up - all hope is not lost until the project is complete, and don't forget to utilise your cache towards the end). I'm also hoping that there'll be a few generous people out there who'll stop once they've achieved their next badge/goal level - I most certainly will (as it was always my intention to do so after reaching Sapphire).  |
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