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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
Didn't I tell you those numbers were a bunch of BS? But nooo, you didn't listen. You think a bunch of computer illiterates know how to fully utilize and measure the speed of their cards?

There is only one 'total kernel time' in the result log, so it can't be wrong. You can't simply run one work unit and call that a day, you need to run multiple work units or else the graphics card will be sitting there doing nothing all the day and the GPU load won't ever go much beyond 30% for any extended amount of time. Running 8 work units I can make sure I keep a 92% usage 80% of the time.

You keep avoiding the issue of kernel time and bring in the other factors, just as you like to include CPU in your measurements to mask the effect of the GPU. But the whole point of the GPU performance discussion is to discuss the GPU performance. If you want to add more work units, or stagger the tasks, or buy a faster CPU you can do that with any of them.

But it is even stranger that you used Bitcoin for your calculations above, which has nothing to do with this project, and yet you don't believe in actual measurements on cards in this project. Why bother with numbers at all? You can just dream them up in your spare time.


It seems you avoided the issue of kernel time, I already gave you my kernel time, and I stand by my 2.36 seconds, the rest of the time is taken up by the CPU computing the first and last parts, which ends up to ~30 seconds per work unit in real time. The whole point of GPU discussion is to discuss GPU performance, but when you ignore facts, ignore the specifications, and ignore actual testing from a professional (I have degrees in IT, do you?), then it's not a discussion anymore.

How is that strange? You do realize that when you have a family of graphics cards, they are ALL the same architecture right? You want to compare 7770 to 7950, bitcoin mining rates are already well established, easy to read, no BS involved. Bitminging will always use 100% of each card, so you get the pure performance in optimal conditions. In order to get optimal conditions in this project you need to run multiple work units, several of them. A different project isn't going to magically make the 7950 suddenly slower. The ratio between 7770 and 7950/70 will ALWAYS remain the same in OpenCL projects, I don't care how much you want to argue about it. I've already proven how your numbers given in that thread are FALSE and therefore cannot be used reliably. Find actual professionals who know what they are doing, and get them to give you their results. Oh, that would be me, but you don't wish to accept the truth.
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
Not all projects run properly under linux, dont ask me now what exactly but im reading in many Project Forums. AND, i have absolut now idea about Linux when i read Documents about how to install BOINC on it ;) Not to speak about troubleshooting ^^. And no im not always used windows only, until 2002 i used AmigaOS that based on Unix in a way ;) But i know Linux is little better then XP but they was close.


It's actually easier to install BOINC on Linux than you think. First step, install the fancy Ubuntu 12.10 (releases tomorrow). Step two, open Ubuntu Software Center on your dashboard and search BOINC, click install. Done, now you just use BOINC like you would on Windows. Most projects do support Linux, WCG supports Linux, all apps here do, except the GPU app at the moment. I run various Linux machines, used them in the past for WCG, but currently using them to encode several thousand videos with x264 so I can't use them in WCG at the moment.

The second way to install BOINC is open terminal (ctrl + alt + t) and type sudo apt-get install boinc. Done, I prefer terminal method since it allows you to install 100s of programs at once on a single command, and you can simply save it as a bash file (linux batch file). Example:

sudo apt-get install boinc blender openshot vlc firefox thunderbird freemind etc. It will then install all the above programs and automatically install all dependencies required by these programs to run, can't say Windows is that easy.

If default Ubuntu is too heavy, you can get a slimmer version like Lubuntu and customize it yourself. After you configure BOINC you can hit ctrl + alt + f1 to go to a tty session so the OS doesnt work on refreshing the desktop GUI.
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
The problem is more to get nvidia drivers ti run under linux i often read. Not boinc. But perhaps i will try with ubuntu in a VM to test. But i cant install nvidia drivers there unfortunal :/
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
Not really, search for software sources from unity dash, click it and then click additional drivers tab, your proprietary driver is listed there to install. The other way is download the debian package direct from NVIDIA's website, and when you open it the software center will open asking if you want to install it.
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
It seems you avoided the issue of kernel time, I already gave you my kernel time, and I stand by my 2.36 seconds, the rest of the time is taken up by the CPU computing the first and last parts, which ends up to ~30 seconds per work unit in real time.

Try looking in your Results for a validated work unit and check the "Total kernel time:"

I expect that it will be a different number than that. (And preferably, average over 10 results as I did when I reported mine.)
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
ok i will see. I dont activate Win7 until now, so i have all options open. So i only must look then for VNC Linux/Windows cross compatibility.
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
You can control your BOINC installation on Linux via BOINC Manager on your main PC, that's the most effective way to manage BOINC across multiple PCs. But since this is Linux, if you want to manage the entire PC I recommend putty ssh terminal, don't have to mess with that VNC stuff. Everything on Linux can be controlled via terminal, so not much point in VNC.
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smile Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
Finally got an app_info to run on my 7970. Quadrupled my output.
Here's a copy if anyone whats to try it.

<app_info>
<app>
<name>hcc1</name>
<user_friendly_name>Help Conquer Cancer</user_friendly_name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>wcg_hcc1_img_6.56_windows_intelx86__ati_hcc1</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>hcckernel.cl.6.56</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>hcc1</app_name>
<version_num>656</version_num>
<platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
<plan_class>ati_hcc1</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>1.0</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1.0</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>.25</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>wcg_hcc1_img_6.56_windows_intelx86__ati_hcc1</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>hcckernel.cl.6.56</file_name>
<open_name>hcckernel.cl</open_name>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>

This will run 4 tasks at a time. Copy and paste into a text document and rename the file app_info.xmll.
Shut down boinc, place the file in the WCG project folder and restart boinc. You should be good to go.

Guys maybe I should have been more specific. This file is best suited for high end cards like the GTX680 and Radeon7970. Do not attempt to use it if you GPU is running near 95%. If it's lower you can use the file to add more tasks. To do that change the <count>N</count parameter. 1 will run 1 task. 0.50 will run 2. 0.33 wil run 3. 0.25 will run 4. 4 gets my GPU tp 95%. That's enough for me.



This will work with any CPu right. Doesn't matter if you have an Intel or amd right? I noticed intel in the script

Is there any app_info to run WCG gpu wu's as well as CPu ones as I am crunching for other WCG projects too which have only CPU apps.
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
Looking at the specs on AMD, comparing the 7850 and 7950, doesn't show the 7850 as a double precision card. The 7850 is double precision floating point but not double precision compute power.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphi...Pages/radeon-7850.aspx#/3

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphi...Pages/radeon-7950.aspx#/3

Ah, whats the difference?


For HCC GPU workunits, nothing significant.

If you want to share that card with some other BOINC project that requires double precision, expect the workunits for that other project to run much slower on the 7850 than on the 7950.
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Re: HCC GPU APP HAS LAUNCHED.
Is there any app_info to run WCG gpu wu's as well as CPu ones as I am crunching for other WCG projects too which have only CPU apps.


Yes but each project you want to run has to be added to your app_info. It can get a little complicated if you have no clue what you are doing (like me! biggrin ) Here's mine for running HCC on GPU and SN2S on the CPU. A word of warning first though: it works great untuil BOINC downloads a workunit that is not SN2S or HCC GPU. I have my preferences set to crunch SN2S only and I selected "If there is no work available for my computer for the projects I have selected above, please send me work from another project." This allows HCC GPU WU's to be sent. But every once in a while a different WU is downloaded and BOINC throws a fit. It's fine if you are around to abort the WU but if you arn't, BOINC won't download any more work.

***********for nvidia only*************


<app_info>
   <app>
      <name>hcc1</name>
      <user_friendly_name>Help Conquer Cancer</user_friendly_name>
   </app>
   <file_info>
      <name>wcg_hcc1_img_6.56_windows_intelx86__nvidia_hcc1</name>
      <executable/> 
   </file_info>
   <file_info>
      <name>hcckernel.cl.6.56</name>
      <executable/>
   </file_info>
      <app_version>
      <app_name>hcc1</app_name>
      <version_num>656</version_num>
      <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
      <plan_class>nvidia_hcc1</plan_class>
      <avg_ncpus>1.0</avg_ncpus>
      <max_ncpus>1.0</max_ncpus>
      <coproc>
         <type>CUDA</type>
         <count>0.3333</count>
      </coproc>
      <file_ref>
          <file_name>wcg_hcc1_img_6.56_windows_intelx86__nvidia_hcc1</file_name>
          <main_program/>
      </file_ref>
      <file_ref>
         <file_name>hcckernel.cl.6.56</file_name>
         <open_name>hcckernel.cl</open_name>
      </file_ref>
   </app_version>

<app>
    <name>sn2s</name>
    <user_friendly_name>Say No to Schistosoma</user_friendly_name>
</app>

   <file_info>
      <name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_6.20_windows_x86_64</name>
      <executable/>
   </file_info> 
   <file_info>
      <name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</name>
      <executable/>
   </file_info>
   <file_info>
      <name>wcgrid_sn2s_gfx_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</name>
       <executable/>
   </file_info>

<app_version>
    <app_name>sn2s</app_name>
    <version_num>620</version_num>
    <platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
    <avg_ncpus>1.0</avg_ncpus>
    <max_ncpus>1.0</max_ncpus>
    <flops>3347548492.458962</flops>
    <api_version>7.1.0</api_version>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_6.20_windows_x86_64</file_name>
        <main_program/>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>AutoDockVina64.exe</open_name>
     </file_ref>
     <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_gfx_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
     </file_ref>
</app_version>

<app_version>
    <app_name>sn2s</app_name>
    <version_num>620</version_num>
    <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
    <avg_ncpus>1.0</avg_ncpus>
    <max_ncpus>1.0</max_ncpus>
    <flops>3347548492.458962</flops>
    <api_version>7.1.0</api_version>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_6.20_windows_x86_64</file_name>
        <main_program/>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>AutoDockVina64.exe</open_name>
     </file_ref>
     <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_gfx_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
     </file_ref>
</app_version>

<app_version>
    <app_name>sn2s</app_name>
    <version_num>620</version_num>
    <platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
    <plan_class></plan_class>
    <avg_ncpus>1.0</avg_ncpus>
    <max_ncpus>1.0</max_ncpus>
    <flops>3347548492.458962</flops>
    <api_version>7.1.0</api_version>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_6.20_windows_x86_64</file_name>
        <main_program/>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>AutoDockVina64.exe</open_name>
     </file_ref>
     <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_gfx_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
     </file_ref>
</app_version>

<app_version>
    <app_name>sn2s</app_name>
    <version_num>620</version_num>
    <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
    <plan_class></plan_class>
    <avg_ncpus>1.0</avg_ncpus>
    <max_ncpus>1.0</max_ncpus>
    <flops>3347548492.458962</flops>
    <api_version>7.1.0</api_version>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_6.20_windows_x86_64</file_name>
        <main_program/>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_vina_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>AutoDockVina64.exe</open_name>
     </file_ref>
     <file_ref>
         <file_name>wcgrid_sn2s_gfx_prod_x86_64.exe.6.20</file_name>
          <open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
     </file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>

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