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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Only if you limit yourself to just GPU work and aren't fully maximizing multiple work units per GPU and multiple cores. The only difference the GPU is doing in this discussion is cranking units out quicker. Run time still accumulates at the same speed.* The user may be restricting themselves depending on how they write their app_info file too. So, badges will only be hindered if there isn't enough work to supply the desired demand. Just imagine if the GPU app would have been for CFSW? There would be even more upset people.
----------------------------------------Edit: *All projects in general whereas if you run multiple GPU tasks on a single card your run time will actually go up with each WU as far as I have understood.     [Edit 1 times, last edit by Coleslaw at Oct 24, 2012 1:47:06 AM] |
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KWSN - A Shrubbery
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 8, 2006 Post Count: 1585 Status: Offline |
Kevin,
----------------------------------------I have to throw in with the others in support of additional badges for higher levels of runtime, specifically 5, 10, 25, 50, 100 year (as well as the plastic one valid result badge while you're at it); but I also want to directly address your request for suggestions on credit recognition. There is a big empty space between the user name and country on these forum pages that could be filled with representative graphics, say a gold star for example. Give them a star for every 10 million points or whatever metric. It's relatively simple and fits within the current web page layout. If you want to get really fancy make it stars that change color at higher point levels to represent massive contributors as well as not fill the page with stars.  Distributed computing volunteer since September 27, 2000 |
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Byteball_730a2960
Senior Cruncher Joined: Oct 29, 2010 Post Count: 318 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Personally, it has taken me less than two years to hit the top 1000 by many means.
I have to admit that I like having my badges and when a new science comes out, I too go on the hunt for my sapphire. Do I crunch for the badges? No, but I do like having them. I also like seeing myself rise through the ranks. No matter what happens with badges, I will still be here. I don't want to tarnish anyone here, but the majority of the people who want higher badges represent the minority of people. How many people who actively participate in WCG have achieved a sapphire in any one science. Very very few. I would much rather see a plastic badge before anything above sapphire. Every single result that someone processes allows us to get take years off the quest for cures. That is most important and I would love to see the lower-downs rewarded in that respect. I know 14 days isn't a lot for us big crunchers, but for those with one computer, it takes quite a while to get there. |
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Bearcat
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 6, 2007 Post Count: 2803 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Think its time to make badges for 5, 10, 20 and 50 for the powerhouses. Should quell most users. Probably not IMHO. The enormous amount of GPU work that can be done in just 1 day with a high end card would make for very slow badge movement. I'd like to see the WCG point show as the same value in BOINC credits but that's another discussion.  With GPU crunching ending somewhere around 3 months or so, unless the scientists add more work, we will be back to CPU crunching. Kneed already posted that there is nothing in the pipeline at this time. Hopefully that changes but until another GPU project comes along, we will be chuggin along the old fashion way to get our total run time.
Crunching for humanity since 2007!
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themoonscrescent
Veteran Cruncher UK Joined: Jul 1, 2006 Post Count: 1320 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Kevin, I have to throw in with the others in support of additional badges for higher levels of runtime, specifically 5, 10, 25, 50, 100 year (as well as the plastic one valid result badge while you're at it); but I also want to directly address your request for suggestions on credit recognition. There is a big empty space between the user name and country on these forum pages that could be filled with representative graphics, say a gold star for example. Give them a star for every 10 million points or whatever metric. It's relatively simple and fits within the current web page layout. If you want to get really fancy make it stars that change color at higher point levels to represent massive contributors as well as not fill the page with stars. To add my voice (for whatever it's worth), I completely agree with the above, extra badges and Stars for Points... That way it would satisfy practically everyone (reminds me a little of Ebay's feeback system, coloured stars up to a certain level and flying coloured stars to satisfy those who bring mind-boggling, almost Super-Computer amounts of crunching power to the grid).   [Edit 1 times, last edit by themoonscrescent at Oct 24, 2012 4:57:22 AM] |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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thebestjaspreet, [:Big grin], you have to "do time" here, like Cool Hand Luke did, and considering that someone is already clocking 9 concurrent GPU tasks off 1 7950 card, that's like a 9 core computer. That gets you to a 1 years badge in 41 days or so, doing 24/7 [:Big grin] edit: spellcheck Would be nice if it worked that way but with GPU crunching it doesn't seem to. There can be large differences in WU runtimes depending on how many are running the CPU part and how many are running the GPU part, especially when running 9 at a time. I haven't had 1 day yet where the run time in days equalled the number of tasks being run on a single card. Maybe over time it will even out.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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mclaver
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Post Count: 566 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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More interesting to me is to have points awarded more consistently amongest the various Boinc projects for GPU processing. Prior to doing GPU processing on WCG, I was doing GPU processing on GPUgrid, Collatz, Milkyway, and Seti. I averaged 1,300,000 BOINC points a day. When I shifted the majority of my GPUs to WCG, my WCG points total jumped up by 100,000 points per day, but my total BOINC points dropped by 1,000,000 per day. That suggests that WCG is only giving 10% of the Boinc Credit GPUgrid, Collatz, Milkyway gave for the same GPU power.
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Former Member
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You've [re]proven an interesting point, mclaver, albeit don't think it fits in the GPU time for badge discussion of the topic.
1. WCG gives about the same credit per GPU task [done in under 6 minutes on average] as a CPU Task and we know the average is about 18x faster. The credit is about 33 per task last I computed that. 2. Where WCG gives a par for the same task regardless of CPU or GPU, using the standard Berkeley credit system, one then has to once again ask the question... what's up with the hyperinflation elsewhere [there's this odd thing I've seen about shader counts and what not, which is or is not relevant... a task completed is a task completed to me and the HCC's are on average quite regular.] |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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More interesting to me is to have points awarded more consistently amongest the various Boinc projects for GPU processing. Prior to doing GPU processing on WCG, I was doing GPU processing on GPUgrid, Collatz, Milkyway, and Seti. I averaged 1,300,000 BOINC points a day. When I shifted the majority of my GPUs to WCG, my WCG points total jumped up by 100,000 points per day, but my total BOINC points dropped by 1,000,000 per day. That suggests that WCG is only giving 10% of the Boinc Credit GPUgrid, Collatz, Milkyway gave for the same GPU power. It's the 1 for 7 thing that's been a WCG thing since it started. 7 WCG points = 1 Boinc credit.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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ryan222h
Senior Cruncher Joined: Sep 4, 2006 Post Count: 425 Status: Offline |
More interesting to me is to have points awarded more consistently amongest the various Boinc projects for GPU processing. Prior to doing GPU processing on WCG, I was doing GPU processing on GPUgrid, Collatz, Milkyway, and Seti. I averaged 1,300,000 BOINC points a day. When I shifted the majority of my GPUs to WCG, my WCG points total jumped up by 100,000 points per day, but my total BOINC points dropped by 1,000,000 per day. That suggests that WCG is only giving 10% of the Boinc Credit GPUgrid, Collatz, Milkyway gave for the same GPU power. You can always go back to those other projects, mclaver. Then I can be tops on our team again.   |
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