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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Currently badges are awarded based upon run-time. With the advent of GPU crunching, the credits will rise dramatically but the run time increase will be minimal, compared to the credit rise. Are there any plans to look again at the criteria for badge awards?
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Decision was already made and shared: 1 project, 1 badge, no matter the resource on which computed. Dedicate your GPU 24 hours [elapsed] and it will clock 1 day. If the card is capable of running multiple tasks concurrent, it will clock the multiple per day.
But, someone launching ideas/suggestions is held to also come with a proposal how this than "fairly" would take shape, to serve both CPU and GPU. Got any? |
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CandymanWCG
Senior Cruncher Romania Joined: Dec 20, 2010 Post Count: 421 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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That's a very good point, Scribe and it's exactly what I was thinking, while contemplating the 60+ Beta GPU results that I have recently returned, yet only 20 hours of run time. That means it will be a loooong time, before I ever get to see at least the bronze badge. But hey, if that's how it is, at least I'm happy I could help. Not planning on going anywhere, so that badge will come...eventually.
----------------------------------------Sorry I don't have an answer on this, but +1 from me for asking the right question. Cheers! Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world! - Albert Einstein ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Consider these stats -
![]() Compare the Collatz and milky way with WCG - the credits were obtained with 2 GPU in about 2 months running compared to the WCG Credits which took years with 6 CPU. I am aware that the credits for some projects are inflated well above WCG, but, my point still remains about the awarding of 'rewards'. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Points/Credits are cross-project brag rights, doing the time is the method at WCG to show off in the left forum margin. So here comes Scribe, who's done 1.5 years of HCC on CPU and 10 days on GPU, which is at it's 18 times faster, gives the CPU equivalency right of 180 CPU days. So really, you want the cake and eat it too.
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mikey
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 10, 2009 Post Count: 826 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Points/Credits are cross-project brag rights, doing the time is the method at WCG to show off in the left forum margin. So here comes Scribe, who's done 1.5 years of HCC on CPU and 10 days on GPU, which is at it's 18 times faster, gives the CPU equivalency right of 180 CPU days. So really, you want the cake and eat it too. I got the opposite out of his comments, he thinks it is WRONG to do it the same as other projects. If you crunch a gpu unit and it takes 6 seconds, okay you got 6 seconds towards your badge, the idea is you can crunch thousands of those 6 second units in a day as compared to three 8 hour units from another project using your cpu. Having more and or faster gpu's is just like having more and or faster cpu's, more work done in a day and more total credits but not more credits per unit. I currently have a little bit over 20 cpu cores here at WCG, but I don't get any more credits per unit than the next person, I get more total credits per day as a result of more resources allocated here. Sure I finish more units per day on my AMD 6 core cpu than I do on my Intel dual core pc, but that is just a function of the AMD 6 core being significantly faster and more efficient. ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
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Spot on Mikey, you got it exactly right!
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johncmacalister2010@gmail.com
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Nov 16, 2010 Post Count: 799 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I will continue with WCG, POEM, malaria control and Folding regardless of badges. The badges are nice to see, but I am happy as long as my work is useful to the projects. I like to read periodic project updates to see the research progress: I don't always understand all the information, but that's OK. Credits/points just show me that my results have been added to the big results pot.
----------------------------------------![]() crunching, crunching, crunching. AMD Ryzen 5 2600 6-core Processor with Windows 11 64 Pro. AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor with Windows 11 64 Pro (part time) ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by John C MacAlister at Sep 11, 2012 2:29:56 AM] |
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astrolabe.
Senior Cruncher Joined: May 9, 2011 Post Count: 496 Status: Offline |
After 647,744 years of crunching, you want to change the rules? You are a bit later to the party
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KWSN - A Shrubbery
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 8, 2006 Post Count: 1585 Status: Offline |
This argument is no different than the dynamic that has been occurring since the launch of WCG. An i7, or more specifically one hyperthreaded half of one core, performs far more calculations per hour than my 486-66 that first crunched the grid and yet it is rewarded with the same amount of run time per work unit.
----------------------------------------There are multiple metrics for a reason. Run time counts run time. Points count points. Never the 'twain shall meet. ![]() Distributed computing volunteer since September 27, 2000 |
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