I was wandering about 4 things.

1. If the proof of concept of commercial Cold Fusion is indeed proved in 2012, what you will say about Rossi delivering his product later in 2013, that he failed?

2. If 2013 is the year of production but 2012 is the year of certification, what year history will consider being the start of Cold Fusion Energy, the Proof of Concept Box certified by UL or the first 1 million boxes shipped?

3. If Rossi is indeed a charlatan but Defkalion or Brillouin or LENUCO bring to market a product either 2012 or 2013, what would you think about yourself, that you were right about Cold Fusion?

4. If you have a bone to pick with Rossi, be my guest and shun him as much as you want (who cares about one man), but what about the others (Defkalion, Brillouin, NickEnergy and LENUCO + many others)?

Ohh.. and not to forget Astrolabe... You said you will ignore this thread because you’ve made up your mind about Cold Fusion with the help of you high school teachers. Apparently you are not too sure of your beliefs, because you are not succeeding in staying away from this topic.

As far as alchemy goes, I guess he was. Turns out he accomplished many other scientific endeavours using experimentation. Like Rossi, if Newton hadn't done anything else, he too would be a complete charlatan.Sorry for your confusion. Actually, real scientific experimentation is quite methodical, hence the term 'The Scientific Method'.

I followed the link but you should have read the entire paragraphRossi has not proven anything All he has to do is prove it. Evidently, that is not going to happen this year as promised, but if we wait 18 months there will be 1M units. Well 18 months from now is Nov 2013 so we can't possibly see 1M units in 2013, so the 18 month suggestion is bogus too. So many lies.My suggestion? Tell Rossi to go back to the lab. Hypothesize, Test, Observe. Repeat until finished: The Scientific Method as used by Newton and Edison, et al.

1. I don't care if he fails; that is what I expect. On the other hand, you appear to have a vested interest. What I know is that he has not scientifically proven what he says and is, at a minimum, unreliable.
2. The question is moot since he has nothing to produce. The date of shipping 1M empty shoe boxes is also irrelevant.
3. My self image is fully intact. Unlike the vast majority of people in the world, my self image does not hinge on being right. I am able to debate topics and understand the various points of view. I know, it's a gift.
4. I do not share my discussions with Rossi in this forum, since I do NOT assume they are of any interest to WCG. If he deems it important, I am sure he will keep you informed on our correspondence. Actually I am a bit surprised he hasn't already since you seem to be so closely involved and knowledgeable about what he has said.

When Edison had a working light bulb, he just demonstrated it. He didn't predict when he might have something to show. He didn't invite discussions with Nobel prize winners. He didn't inveigle the cooperation of complete nobody's to provide moral or political support in his work. He didn't spend more time talking than doing. He just did the work and displayed the result. Unlike Einstein, Edison and Newton, Rossi, to date, is all show and no go. No Action Talk Only.

Call me when he can toast a slice of bread and show us how he did it; unless he is using a toaster.

HEY DITTOS!!---- This time it ain't me