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widdershins
Veteran Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 30, 2007 Post Count: 677 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm not so sure there would be as many large businesses fail as might be expected. Ok petrol stations all over the world would shut, but apart from that, we still would need the oil refineries etc. Why? The petrochemical industries are about much more than petrol and diesel. Lubricants, plastics, all manner of chemical compounds etc. all depend on crude oil. Cars would simply change to having a Back to the Future style "Mr Fuzion" power cell in them.
Most businesses would need to change, some radically, but the only ones who would go bust would be the few who couldn't change (petrol forecourts) or those that were badly managed by people who refused to accept the need to change. They deserve to fail and would do so eventually anyway unless taken over by a better managed enterprise. |
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damir1978
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First test for the first independent tester, the Greek Government, concluded yesterday with success.
----------------------------------------Test took 24 hours: - 1st reactor working with the nickel + catalyst charge, while 2nd reactor empty of the nickel + catalyst charge. Both electrically powered, only 1st one reaching fusion. - then 2nd reactor working with nickel + catalyst charge, while 1st reactor empty of the nickel + catalyst charge. Both electrically powered, only 2nd one reaching fusion. This test was done to see how the reactor that is empty, although powered, does not reach fusion, while the reactor with the nickel + catalyst charge, when powered, can reach stable (12 hours) 45kw fusion based heat release. See Defkalion comments bellow: "Tests with the presence of high level Government officials have been concluded. Opinions and results were very positive. Announcements will be made upon mutual agreements, at a time yet to be defined. Tests continue with international Authorities in the coming weeks. DGT" You can go to Defkalion forum here: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1237 Obviously, people are anxious for these tests to happen in open view environment but that is how business works in this world. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 6 times, last edit by damir1978 at Feb 29, 2012 4:25:17 PM] |
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Tests with the presence of high level Government officials have been concluded. Opinions and results were very positive. Once again, it is completely unverifiable from outside sources. No names, no agencies just generic "Government officials." On the topic of Home Depot being in talks with Dr. Rossi, has Home Depot made any announcements? Maybe this was just someone getting information to set up their next "shrimp farm" buying trip. For another thought on E-Cat see: Andrei Rossi and the E-Cat: Con Artist or Genius? In another thread I said I was not a believer but I do find the e-cat story interesting. Either it is true and history is being made or it is a hoax fooling even high level people, which is also interesting to watch. |
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damir1978
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Tests with the presence of high level Government officials have been concluded. Opinions and results were very positive. Once again, it is completely unverifiable from outside sources. No names, no agencies just generic "Government officials." On the topic of Home Depot being in talks with Dr. Rossi, has Home Depot made any announcements? Maybe this was just someone getting information to set up their next "shrimp farm" buying trip. For another thought on E-Cat see: Andrei Rossi and the E-Cat: Con Artist or Genius? In another thread I said I was not a believer but I do find the e-cat story interesting. Either it is true and history is being made or it is a hoax fooling even high level people, which is also interesting to watch. I will not defend LENR phenomenon (I think at this point in time is already established) or the commercial validity of Rossi / Defkalion devices (if they are commercially feasible devices). But I would like to show a parallel between Wright brothers and Rossi/Defkalion just to show that it is possible to have at least 2-3 years before even the skeptics come around and confirm devices that are working already. Here it goes from Wikipedia (of course, I am too lazy to go further than that )Beginning quote: ["In 1906, skeptics in the European aviation community had converted the press to an anti-Wright brothers stance. European newspapers, especially in France, were openly derisive, calling them bluffeurs (bluffers)." "The Paris edition of the New York Herald summed up Europe's opinion of the Wright brothers in an editorial on February 10, 1906: The Wrights have flown or they have not flown. They possess a machine or they do not possess one. They are in fact either fliers or liars. It is difficult to fly. It's easy to say, 'We have flown. " End Quote Just for everybody info here, Wright brothers started to fly 1900, so at least 6 years before being called bluffers (aka... scam). And as Rossi / Defkalion, they made public tests and so forth. Even more interesting (from Wikipedia, again): "The Wright brothers made no flights at all in 1906 and 1907. They spent the time attempting to persuade the U.S. and European governments that they had invented a successful flying machine and were prepared to negotiate a contract to sell such machines." That shows that at the time Europeans where making a campaign against them in media, Wright brothers were already interested only in business and patents. Kind of like Defkalion and Rossi now... So let's not dismiss so easily the evidence. The Pattern regarding disruptive technology was already established by Wright brothers. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by damir1978 at Feb 28, 2012 6:49:06 PM] |
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johncmacalister2010@gmail.com
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Nov 16, 2010 Post Count: 799 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Likewise: I am from Missouri. You have got to show me. "tis waiting I am
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But I would like to show a parallel between Wright brothers and Rossi/Defkalion just to show that it is possible to have at least 2-3 years before even the skeptics come around and confirm devices that are working already. Way ahead of you on that. Also, what the Wright brothers accomplished by understanding that powered "flying" required more than strapping a motor on what would otherwise be a ballistic glider, was hard for others at the time to comprehend. Their solution required dynamic control of an unstable, unbalanced machine, like riding a bike. Many others at the time thought stability was key. That said I wouldn't have felt at all bad if I had been one of the doubters at that time, if they had kept what I needed to verify their success as a trade secret. Should the doubters have felt bad if all they got were unverifiable claims? Should we believe every hoax is as proven until proven false? I remain a skeptic about these kind of great claims even if that means I will sometimes be wrong. I admire some of the renegades of math and science. Ever read Chaos by James Gleick? A great story about people involved in some research that was unorthodox in a field that hurt their reputations to even be associated with it. Now they are heroes. Also, Fermat's Last Theorem by A.D. Aczel, with a similar story. But how many others claimed to be on to something which turned out to be nothing? My money is on the renegades being wrong until proven right, but I am glad they are out their doing what others don't believe in or don't dare to get involved with. I also enjoy reading about those that failed or even did hoaxes. Ever read about some of the Brown's gas hoaxes? Miss calculations of energy in steam, in flame and the misuse of inferred temp sensors. Sometimes these are accidental mistakes and sometimes they are on purpose. Either way, even people you may expect to know better are taken in by the mistakes and hoaxes. I remember the local news doing a story about the military was getting Humers that would run on water. Didn't make it true, and it all sound so similar to what I hear with E-Cat. I am glad people are daring enough to work on LENR. I hope the research produces some good science. As to products, I am not holding my breath. And if they report such things in the news it doesn't mean I am going to get all excited about it, any more than I did when it was reported that neutrinos traveled faster than light. |
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Jack007
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good luck,
----------------------------------------I own several oil stocks and a couple solar ones (crossing my fingers on that) Edit: would love to be proved wrong ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Jack007 at Feb 29, 2012 3:29:01 AM] |
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damir1978
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Looking at griddlecrunch answer above, I sense already that he is not the skeptic he was two posts before. I actually see some enthusiasm about LENR from him, he says: "I am glad people are daring enough to work on LENR." My thoughts exactly.
----------------------------------------So I will continue to posts relevant developments or news about LENR sensing that already people got an education on LENR possibilities and facts just by reading the posts here. My posts will concentrate on LENR devices that will come on the market on 2012. So here it goes 2 new developments: "In an interview with Ny Teknik, Alexandros Xanthoulis, representative of the investors (Defkalion), said that the (HYPERION 45KW LENR DEVICE) test was conducted on 24 February and that it was not focused on safety, as the product is not yet ready for such tests. The focus was instead to show that there was excess heat energy released from a 'Low Energy Nuclear Reaction' and not from a chemical source. The test lasted for 24 hours and included both an empty and an active reactor, which were switched after 12 hours. Xanthoulis also said that two of the seven international groups have already carried out their tests and that the last of those tests is scheduled for late March. He did not say when or if the test results will be published. /End of update/." Also: "In the last months also Andrea Rossi says he has been continuing to develop his technology (E-CAT 10KW LENR DEVICE). As Defkalion's technology it's based on nickel and hydrogen, possibly participating in a hitherto unknown nuclear reaction. On February 20, 2012 Rossi performed a demonstration to show the actual level of development. Among the participants was chemist Roland Pettersson, retired Associate Professor from the University of Uppsala, who also attended a test of Rossi's E-cat on 6 October 2011. Roland Pettersson told Ny Teknik that the system was now much more stable. A new set of control electronics was used and the system was started just pushing a button. However, no energy measurement was performed. The E-cat was apparently operated without refilling from a hydrogen canister. Instead the hydrogen was supposedly stored in a piece of solid material – possibly in a metal hydride. The material contained a few grams of hydrogen gas which would last for six months of operation, according to Rossi. If hydrogen is stored in this manner, certification of a consumer product based on the technology should be much easier than if a canister is included in the system. Roland Pettersson and other participants were also shown a prototype of the consumer version of the E-cat that Rossi says he is planning to manufacture in a robotized factory. As previously stated by Rossi it was slightly larger than an ordinary laptop, and had simple connections for input and output of water. Production is according to Rossi planned to start next winter or at least within 18 months, and a million units should be manufactured per year. The price is expected to be between 600 and 900 dollars, and the device should be easily connected to existing systems for water heating. Users should be able to change a cartridge of fuel after six months of operation. Rossi estimates the price of the cartridge to be a few tens of dollars. Rossi has also announced that his company in the U.S., Leonardo Corporation, is now owned by a group of investors and that he is the CEO. Independent testing of his technology has not yet been performed." Source: journalist Mats Lewan http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3419346.ece ---------------------------------------- [Edit 4 times, last edit by damir1978 at Feb 29, 2012 4:27:58 PM] |
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damir1978
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Some great information on a LENR workshop at NASA.
----------------------------------------These are from reputable scientists working in NASA or other branches controlled by USA Government. These are NOT light people. Browse the Slides of at least 3 scientists that participate at this workshop: Zawodny Slides: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/...dny-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf Nelson Slides: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/...son-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf Bushnell Slides: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/NASA/...ell-GRC-LENR-Workshop.pdf This is just to show the hidden interest that NASA is having in LENR. Of course we don't here nothing about this in NASA statements because this is just hidden work they do... they don't like prying eyes but unfortunately for them FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) still works and these slides and others were obtain from NASA trough FOIA: Why hidden interest? Well, just check the military application from Zawodny Slides. It is mind boggling. Thank God that FOIA still works. Also, again from Zawodny Slides, the scientists concludes with enthusiasm : "Enables whole new approaches to all of NASA’s missions - we can affordably get off this rock! " http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/16/ano...sa-lenr-innovation-forum/ ---------------------------------------- [Edit 4 times, last edit by damir1978 at Feb 29, 2012 4:29:35 PM] |
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damir1978
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New article showing the latest developments in Cold Fusion devices:
----------------------------------------http://seekingalpha.com/article/406981-cold-fusion-a-cure-for-high-gas-prices This is the info that really is interesting: “At least six other companies are in start-up mode, including: AmpEnergo, Seldon Technologies, (US 2011/0255644) Lattice Energy, Brillouin Energy Corporation, (US 2011/0122984) Energetics Technology and Star Scientific” Go on the article and press those links to the 6 companies. Check these three: http://lattice-energy.blogspot.com/ http://www.brillouinenergy.com/ http://www.starscientific.com.au/faqs/ The Cold Fusion revolution is under way. With so many new companies that are jumping in this recently, we can see how 2-3 years from now Cold Fusion (LENR) will start to change everything we now about future. Cheers and Enjoy ---------------------------------------- [Edit 5 times, last edit by damir1978 at Mar 23, 2012 6:47:30 PM] |
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