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Re: LENR, LANR, COLD FUSION, E-CAT, FREE ENERGY STARTS 2012

He expects to see Hot Cat products on the market within a year (Rossi states ‘within 2013′

Call us when there's an official announcement. wink



Official announcement... bellow:

http://www.prometeon.it/index.php

Oh. So, for what product and where and when will it be available?
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Re: LENR, LANR, COLD FUSION, E-CAT, FREE ENERGY STARTS 2012

He expects to see Hot Cat products on the market within a year (Rossi states ‘within 2013′

Call us when there's an official announcement. wink


Official announcement... bellow:

http://www.prometeon.it/index.php

Oh. So, for what product and where and when will it be available?


See answer to your question about product and availability bellow:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/prometeon-s...ite-offers-e-cat-producs/
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Re: LENR, LANR, COLD FUSION, E-CAT, FREE ENERGY STARTS 2012

See answer to your question about product and availability bellow/
and yet the article above finishes with a serious note:
It will all become more meaningful and impressive once we get confirmation of at least one of these products being put into action.

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See answer to your question about product and availability bellow/
and yet the article above finishes with a serious note:
It will all become more meaningful and impressive once we get confirmation of at least one of these products being put into action.

True. We need proof. But that does not change that now at least one Cold Fusion technology is in the market availability phase. How real it is we will discover soon enough. What is amazing is that there are at least 5 products based on this technology based on E-Cat and Hot -Cat, 2 of them (based on E-Cat) available right now.

Also, the products based on Hot-Cat will be available sooner than thought, as per Rossi comments (promises):
"Yes, Leonardo Corp is very much powerful now. I can already say that the first 1 MW hot cat will go in operation within February 2013. It will not be a military application, therefore selected persons will be allowed to visit it. It will be installed in a big power production and distribution plant. This is the new. The plant is made in the USA.
An extremely important agreement has been signed after the tests of the Hot Cat, which are going on since June in the USA and in Italy. The details will be communicated only after the plant will have been working for enough time to be visitable, also to avoid clubs in the wheels.
That’s all I can say right now.
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As we go close to broad availability of this technology I will be looking with great interest at Defkalion and Brillouin for next year. Specially Brillouin is interesting, as it is not from Rossi's tree.
Brillouin is working right now with SRI to standardize and upscale his HTB LENR reactor. If they get it done soon, they will access 20 million dollars from Sunrise Securities of New York they sign a contract not long ago. I specially like Sunrise condition to Brillouin that before giving them any money, Brillouin needs to buy and power with their Cold Fusion technology an old and cheap power-plant. Brillouin signed on this:

"Brillouin has negotiated a “second stage” $20M investment conditional agreement from Sunrise Securities of New York, NY (www.sunrisecorp.com)
"-The Sunrise offer would purchase 15% of BEC post-money, conditional on BEC moving ahead with and completing successful testing of its NHB™ at SRI
-Sunrise offer is also conditional on Brillouin striking preliminary agreement to acquire at least one “stranded asset” conventional fuel source small scale (5-10MW) Power Plant, with existing conventional co-gen equipment, and replacing (retrofitting) old fuel source with Brillouin’s hot tube NHB™, together with renewal of an operating power purchase or steam heat contract with an industrial or a utility
-Key expert affiliates of Sunrise, including former Director of the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC)’s independent power division, have already provided potential acquisition candidates, available for negligible cost, with power contracts already in place
-Upon successful testing of NHB™ at SRI, the $20M Sunrise offer will fund full commercial launch of this merchant power supply retrofit business model
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http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/09/brillouin-energy-has-conditional.html

The future looks certainly interesting and there are other players that are not out yet.

Is that plus many others all fraud material?
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If I knew with a 100% certainty that this technology would be available even within 10 years I would live my life entirely different. I think most people who oppose Obamacare do so because they worry about the expense. This technology would save many times over what Obamacare would cost so paying for it would not be a problem. Wars would be avoided if people had hope that their life would be changed for the better in the near future. I am saying that a huge number of peoples life could be saved by proving this technology beyond doubt so anyone who is hold back on this proof because of fear of losing some money is in my opinion guilty of murder of a large number of people. So I say to **** with patience.

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If I knew with a 100% certainty that this technology would be available even within 10 years I would live my life entirely different. I think most people who oppose Obamacare do so because they worry about the expense. This technology would save many times over what Obamacare would cost so paying for it would not be a problem. Wars would be avoided if people had hope that their life would be changed for the better in the near future. I am saying that a huge number of peoples life could be saved by proving this technology beyond doubt so anyone who is hold back on this proof because of fear of losing some money is in my opinion guilty of murder of a large number of people. So I say to **** with patience.

I manage to learn in life at least one lesson: nothing is certain. I just point towards the signs.
The signs are showing that this technology existed in a scientific environment at least from 1989 with F&P press release, but some say that even before them, in 1930's. The signs also show complete censure of this technology with corrupt scientific bodies + mainstream media working against information distribution towards masses, so nobody will think this is even possible. Of course, now everybody is either playing dumb or saying this is still not possible.

The reality sets in that actually Cold Fusion is possible with minimum R&D effort and costs. Of course Hot Fusion projects got 200+ Billions and 60 years with no progress what so ever (the last failure being 15 billions $ NIF), but "they" still want to push it as a good investment and in the mean time we use coal, oil etc. "just until we get to hot fusion worldwide", which looks like in several... thousand years.
Go figure why they don't want to invest even a fart in Cold Fusion. But they surely put enough money and effort in fighting against it...


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Although I don't want to win another spitting match with you again, I cannot let your distortions of the truth go unqualified
What is amazing is that there are at least 5 products based on this technology based on E-Cat and Hot -Cat, 2 of them (based on E-Cat) available right now.
The website does not state that the products are available Right Now
Prometeon states, “For products already on the market, is max. 4 months from the order, unless saturation of the production capacity for large orders, in which case the time may be longer.”
How you can possibly misunderstand the different between '4 months' and 'right now' is beyond me. Another point is that, in order for a product to be available right now, it is MY understanding that you would have to buy the product Right Now. That seems a bit difficult:
Pricing is not provided
So I will grant you that Prometeon STATES that they have a product ready for market, but there are still no facts from ANY source to prove there is an actual, working, retail product. Doesn't mean there won't be someday. It just means that all there is today is squat with a possibility of bupkis tomorrow and a chance of sod all in the future.......

ps: Your OP can now be classified, at a minimum, as misleading:
E-CAT: 10KW - Home Unit - Coming to Home Depot end of year (2012)

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So I will grant you that Prometeon STATES that they have a product ready for market, but there are still no facts from ANY source to prove there is an actual, working, retail product. Doesn't mean there won't be someday. It just means that all there is today is squat with a possibility of bupkis tomorrow and a chance of sod all in the future.......


As I have said before, I find the LENR story similar to the Brown's gas, AKA HHO gas, story. I don't believe HHO is anything other than oxyhydrogen but you can buy HHO products and there are even scientist that promote HHO. But those really great HHO product we have been promised that are always just around the corner ... .

Anyone remember Aquygen and the Hummer for the military? Then there was this old News Video.
You have to love the mentioning of NASA and other interested parties toward the end.

Then there is the story of Changing World Technologies. Remember them.
Here is an old News Story from National Geographic.
There have been real sites using Thermal depolymerization, it is a real process but has it changed the world yet?

Will LENR ever be at Home Depot? I am not holding my breath waiting regardless of what others claim.
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Interview with Aldo Proia (www.prometeon.it) regarding E-Cat Plants sale.

See Google translation page of this interview (originally in Italian), as much as Google can translate something :-( :

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto...-della-prometeon-s-r-l%2F
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Scientific paper on LENT (Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations) signed by Y.N. Srivastava, A. Widom, J. Swain.
This is from Cornell University, which is is an American private Ivy League research university located in Ithaca, New York, founded in 1865. They have also other scientific papers on LENR.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924

Conclusions from this paper:

"The leitmotif of this paper has been to provide direct evidence that low energy nuclear transmutations [LENT] can and have been induced by gravitational, weak, EM and strong interactions both in Nature as well as in the laboratory. Also, that quite often three or four of the fundamental interactions are needed to lead to the nal LENT. Due to this interplay of di erent interactions each with its own widely di erent coupling strength, one nds a great diversity in the rates of the reactions.
Hence, we may conclude that the reality of LENT is no longer a matter of debate because it is soundly based on the Standard Model.
The focus must now be on the employment of technology to realize electroweak LENT and thereby provide sorely needed practical applications of the Standard Model of particle physics. Extraordinary advances already made in realizing up to 1 GeV table top electron accelerators and high gain factors in generating electric elds in surface plasmon polariton resonances on nano particles bode well for the future of electroweak LENT."
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