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Former Member
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I for one have to say, that I do suggest that the grid agent should have a section called CPU monitor or something with a slider telling it how much cpu idle clock cycles to use at one time, and also show the cpu's core temperature, for example, 1 you can change it to farenheight or celcius (pardon my spelling), 2 a bar showing the temperature and a green and red zone so you know if you've pushed it too hard, and 3, have the grid agent temporarily pause if it reaches the red zone/ critical zone, however still be able to override it; basically what I'm saying is to add more functionality and control to the agent so that we can rest knowing what is actually going on...  DITTO |
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Alther
Former World Community Grid Tech United States of America Joined: Sep 30, 2004 Post Count: 414 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I for one have to say, that I do suggest that the grid agent should have a section called CPU monitor or something with a slider telling it how much cpu idle clock cycles to use at one time, and also show the cpu's core temperature, for example, 1 you can change it to farenheight or celcius (pardon my spelling), 2 a bar showing the temperature and a green and red zone so you know if you've pushed it too hard, and 3, have the grid agent temporarily pause if it reaches the red zone/ critical zone, however still be able to override it; basically what I'm saying is to add more functionality and control to the agent so that we can rest knowing what is actually going on... As far as a tool to monitor your CPU and case temperatures, almost all recent computers (within the past 3 years or so) have temperatures sensors on the motherboard. Sometimes this monitoring tool comes with your computer/motherboard. You can also download 3rd party monitoring tools. The tool I personally use is Motherboard Monitor. You can download it here: http://mbm.livewiredev.com/. As far as a CPU throttle, it's a current limitation of the United Devices agent we use.
Rick Alther
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Twoguys181
Cruncher Joined: Jan 5, 2005 Post Count: 1 Status: Offline |
 I'm a new user that is one of the first things I noticed, that my CPU fan kicks on very frequently when running this program. I don't usually hear it unless I'm doing some heavy graphics editing. This concerns me, for while I leave my computer on a lot, it's not constantly running at top speed. Someone wrote that all programs use 100% of the CPU power, but that's not for 100% of the time. When I look at the Task Manager right now I have 34 processes running and most all of them are showing 0 processor usage.I also thought the program would run in the background and allow me to run my own screensaver. I collect/scan lots of graphics and photos that I show with the Slideshow screensaver and have no wish to watch this boring program twirl a molecule about. I believe in the good intentions behind this program, but if users are not given more flexibility, I don't think it will have much staying power with a wider audience. After two days, I'm tempted to just uninstall the program and maybe try again in a year or two. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hi Twoguys181,
Some people have spoken of ThreadMaster, but I do not know how it really works. It is here: http://bednorz.uni2.net/anyland/threadmaster/threadmaster.htm Reading the site, it says that it does not work with Windows NT 4 but does with Windows 2000 up. It is supposed to allow you to set a CPU percentage usage limit for a process. I have never tried it, so use at your own risk. The WCG Screen Saver is only needed if you check the Preferences box on your Agent that says ‘Run Only as Screensaver”. Otherwise you can go into Control Panel – Display and choose another screen saver. Lawrence |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Here is a current article released today for you technofiles who are interested in Overheating Problems
----------------------------------------It is provided by: Hardware Analysis Click on this link http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1770/ [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Jan 5, 2005 4:57:48 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I'm a new user that is one of the first things I noticed, that my CPU fan kicks on very frequently when running this program. I don't usually hear it unless I'm doing some heavy graphics editing. This concerns me, for while I leave my computer on a lot, it's not constantly running at top speed. Someone wrote that all programs use 100% of the CPU power, but that's not for 100% of the time. When I look at the Task Manager right now I have 34 processes running and most all of them are showing 0 processor usage.I also thought the program would run in the background and allow me to run my own screensaver. I collect/scan lots of graphics and photos that I show with the Slideshow screensaver and have no wish to watch this boring program twirl a molecule about. I believe in the good intentions behind this program, but if users are not given more flexibility, I don't think it will have much staying power with a wider audience. After two days, I'm tempted to just uninstall the program and maybe try again in a year or two. As Lawrence noted, you can easily change the default screensaver to your own. Just be aware that you are stealing processor cycles back from the WCG project if you run one that is especially CPU intensive. I know my favorite screensaver causes big spike in CPU usage when it kicks in (and immediately makes the fans in my laptop kick on full speed), so I don't run that screensaver on any computers that are crunching. The entire point of the project (at this time) is to devote UNUSED processor cycles to crunching numbers for the protein folding project. That's the whole point. People seem to be rather unaware of just what this means. Mr. Alther, if you're reading this, it occurs to me that a mention of this topic in the FAQ might not be a bad idea, as it comes up repeatedly. CPUs today are capable of throttling down when they are idle so keep the heat and energy usage down. Many processor fans are capable to responding to the lower temp needs by slowing down as well. So it makes perfect sense that your processor fan is going to kick in high when the CPU is being used to it's fullest extent... there hasn't been a computer processor that could run without an active cooling system since then Pentium 3SX chip, if memory serves. If you have a decently-well-constructed computer with a decent cooling system (laptops run a fine line line here and sometimes may not be suitable for the project), it should do your computer no actual harm to run all out. If your computer was built in a friend's garage or at some computer fair by a guy who barely knew what he was doing, using the cheapest possible components rather than high end cooling components for use in a heavy-duty gaming or workstation system, or the components used by most MAJOR manufacturers like Dell, HP, etc., who have warrantys to worry about and therefore tend to use at least adequate cooling, then you should be fine. If you can't handle the noise generated by a cooling fan doing it's job, then you either need to upgrade to a better, quieter cooling system, or find another way to use your computer... at least until a processor usage throttle feature comes about in a future upgrade. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jan 5, 2005 9:16:49 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
just wanted to say, im running this 24/7 on my amd 3200+ (basically stock fan by the way) and though it is heating up a bit, there have been no problems so far, and the cpu definitely isnt going to melt. i can even play games with WCG in the background no problem. overheating definitely shouldnt be a problem for desktops, unless yours is so old that the fan is falling off or something.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
It's currently summer in Sydney and my Pentium 3 mini-tower system has been overheating when the ambient temperature gets into the mid 30s. The processor halts and everything just hangs - no mouse pointer, no keyboard input, etc. Under these conditions it can be re-booted and will run OK as long as the grid agent is not running. On cooler days it will run the grid agent without problem. So far, there appears to be no long-term damage to the machine. The processor must have a built-in over-temperature safety cut-off feature. I'm in Sydney as well. Thing is that laptops and desktops are different in many ways. Yes, my laptop has died due to heating problems but not to do with grid computing. I was lucky to have it under warranty still but now its expired. I'm not against WCG, just giving my experience that my laptop has died under heat problems. I will be devoting cpu cycles to WCG on the laptop, but not 24/7. Although.....i'm happy to let a couple of my linux and solaris SPARC units crunch  any update on linux client yet? /. users need updates  |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I suggest everyone stops playing PC games. They run your PC at 100% cpu utilization. Oh and stop ripping MP3's, editing music, video. No more DVD archiving, no more data crunching of any kind because of the risks of *GASP* the dreaded 100% cpu utilitzation.
Some of you guys need to take a lesson in what a cpu is made for. If my AMD 64 bit 3000+ 90nm socket 939 cpu thats OC'ed to 2.4ghz can't run this program at 100% for a month straight then I consider it a crappy build and need to build a better PC. Hell, it should run it for years on end without problem. I might need to shut down occasionally to clean out the heat sink and fans because dust = public enemy number one in my home. Also, for the laptop owners. I can understand your view. Laptops aren't built for data crunching. They're built for mobile computing. Email, word processing, communicating while on the run and some entertainment on those long flights across the country. Your laptop should be able to handle this program without overheating, if it cannot then something is wrong or the manufacturer did a poor job designing the cooling system. Also the fans on laptops can go bad and they are a pain to change on some models. But alas, they were not built to crunch data for long periods of time while plugged into wall. Anyway, I see both sides but I think theres more belly aching going on over something thats not a big deal. Stop making mountains out of mole hills. |
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mnostl32
Cruncher Joined: Jan 5, 2005 Post Count: 1 Status: Offline |
I'm running 50%cpu. I have HT running and its a laptop at work. Fairly new but I haven't had a problem. I just keep it spaced underneath so more air can travel through and thats about it. I hear the fan more, but its a sound, I couldn't care less.
A few fixes to the program for cpu utilization and this thing would be on every computer at work. Not all the comps have the HT or are brand new, so some older comps wouldn't handle it well, but if I could dedicate 50% of the cpu or even 75% as hardly any computers will ever use it, that would be great feature for the prog. My $0.02 |
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