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hnapel
Advanced Cruncher Netherlands Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 82 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Nonsense! The program is of course running at 100% because it would otherwise be idle, IBM is nice, if you look at the priority in the task manager at which the Rosetta runs it is set to low, this means any program you normally use such as a wordprocessor will get the cycles it needs and you don't suffer from the grid program taken up the rest of the CPU power, this was no other for SETI@Home and no doubt any well behaved distributed computing efforts. Greetings, Harm Really! 100%?! You must be kidding. You also must be kidding to think I'll install *another* piece of software to prevent it. What wrote this software with zero consideration to the user's computer? This does not make me think well of IBM, not at all.
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Former Member
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I think the question many of you need to be asking yourselves rather than, "Why doesn't this software let me limit CPU cycles so I can protect my crappy computer," is "Why did I buy such a crappy computer" lol...
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Former Member
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Hi all. Just wnated to throw my 2 cents in. The life of your cpu is not determined by usage but by heat. The cooler your cpu stays the longer it will last. This being said, as long as your cpu is adequitly cooled you will not damage it no matter how much it is used. However this can be loud depending on the fan that cooles your cpu.
To give you an idea, does anyone remember a little thin called sasser? One of the side effects of a variation of sasser made the cpu run at 100%. Other viruses have been known to do this also, but the piont is I personelly never heard of it melting a cpu. |
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Former Member
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The issue is really this simple.
Some people (I for one) don't want their machines running at 100% CPU usage for extended periods of time. There are countless reasons. Let’s name the top 5 1) My laptop is now much nosier due to the fan. I don't like the noise. 2) Instability issues. The heat causes instability issues on my laptop. I don’t particularly care why, what or when. The only thing I can do it not let it get hot and then things are fine. 3) Laptop becomes hot to handle. 4) Heat is not good for the battery, so I am shortening its life. 5) Heat is not good for plastics. Ever seen a laptop that has been running straight out for a couple of years? The case above the CPU tends to have deteriorated more than the rest of the case. I’m happy for all those who don’t mind running their machines at 100% because either it is a desktop or none of my 5 issues I’ve mentioned above affect or bother them. However all of these issues affect and bother me and I’m sure countless other laptop users. Please don’t tell me that the CPU will throttle itself when it reaches some critical temperature. This won’t help with any of the above issues, but will introduce issue number 6 (which I do not see). Machine runs slower. The throttle may be as high at 60C or 70C. I don’t want my laptop that hot. |
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Lighthouse
Senior Cruncher Joined: Nov 20, 2004 Post Count: 283 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Guys:
----------------------------------------I've been running grid software on my computers for over 3 years now. None of them have dropped over dead. My 14 computers include Celeron, PIII, AMD and P4 and P4-HT. I also have one laptop. My observations over this time: I don't run the software on my laptop very often, because as pointed out, it does heat up the processor and cause the fan to run all the time, which I don't like. But I know some friends who do run laptops all the time. Mine is a cheap off-brand and I don't trust it. Yes, they heat up the CPU. But as an engineer, I expect my computers to be able to deal with it because some engineering software does the same thing. As I said, I have not had one ocmputer go bad in 3 years. Indeed, I am not convinced that a steady temperature, even if slightly higher, is not better than constant thermal cycling of "normal" use. As for the 50% rating when running on Intel HT chips: this is normal. It has to do with the fact that the HT chip imitates dual processors, when it actually only has a single physical processor. Since grid software fully utilizes the math portion, which is not divided, there is no benefit for this software to try to run both paths - I've seen expermentation and results and trying to run both paths. It merely splits the results for each in half, resulting in the same total progress either way. Hope some of this helps. |
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Former Member
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I've been running this software on my cheap laptop at 100% for 3 days and it is doing just fine. Once the computer has been running for an hour or so at 100% its not like its going to keep getting hotter and hotter. So by the time its been running for over an hour its probably better for the CPU to keep at a constant temperature by running at a steady 100% than it would be to keep heating and cooling the processor, which would wear it out faster in the end any way.
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Former Member
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hmm id rather be allowed to limit how much cpu time it uses. soon as i let it start running my cpu went up too 56C and i do not wish it to run that high for extended periods of time
i have been useing folding@home for a few years now and it gives this option . i think ill just stay with it. |
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Former Member
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Any computergame (even a 5 year old one on a brand new computer) would also make your processor do 100% al the time you are playing. Computers shouldn't have problems with continious maximum operation (mine hasn't and its a cheap and outdated thing). Of course your cooling will have to work more, and this may be annoying to you. And laptops will run their battery down faster. You might want to consider running it on a laptop ONLY when its not on battery. But it will not damage your system if your cooling is sufficient.
The people with 50% performance=> Hypertreading tricks the OS to believe there are 2 processors. This agent only uses one processor. You can probably fix this by disabling hypertreading, but then your performance while working on other tasks may take a hit ... |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Just my two penneth
----------------------------------------The application is designed to halt when you run your Laptop on its batteries as it would seriously shorten your laptops "mobile" operations. It should only run when you are plugged into the mains Regards Dave |
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Former Member
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I'm running a 2002 Dell 8100 laptop with a 1.13 gig Pentium III. It ran Folding@home pretty much 24/7 for an entire year with no overheating problem, and now it's running WCG with no overheating problem so far as I can tell. The fan runs perhaps 80-90% of the time--I'm used to it, and don't even notice it. I keep a ¾" spacer elevating the back of the case for ventilation underneath, and the case is certainly not overly warm to the touch--no more so than doing any other operation.
----------------------------------------Though it's old and slow and far from top-of-the-line, I reckon I've got a tougher machine than the ones folks are so worried about overheating... [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 24, 2004 1:52:41 AM] |
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