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Re: HCC with GPU



Guys, what was that? Already? Thanks.
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Re: HCC with GPU

If GPU is not disabled [in client] and the host has a detectable card, the client will ask any project periodically for GPU work. The server backoff cycle at WCG is 7 or 14 days, but is reset each time the update button is hit.... and yes we see in line 3...

The newest test client will tell what kind of work was fetched, so you'd see "... got 1 new tasks for CPU" or something similar.

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Re: HCC with GPU

FYI, there is a thread related to this one over in the Beta Test Support Forum :
- If and/or When they send out Betas for HCC GPU (Apostrophe Man strikes again)

Recent (Jan 2012) posts have been mainly hardware-oriented.
There, kateiacy also discusses getting some experience with GPU crunching by doing some work from projects outside of WCG (shame!) ...

My own 2c worth:
I think my priority will remain CPU crunching because I want to allocate most of my electricity $$ to projects other than HCC. However, I'll be interested in contributing with efficient low-end GPU devices, especially the integrated ones (IGPs) in the newer CPU packages, in particular Intel Sandy Bridge (2600k) and the forthcoming Ivy Bridge (due April 2012)(Wikipedia, AnandTech ) varieties. [Edit]: Provided the rumoured/promised openCL support for the Intels is forthcoming, that is. ( Intel® Software Network >> Sandy bridge, opencl , Intel® Software Network >> OpenCL SDK FAQs )[/Edit]. Although their individual contributions at this stage will be fairly modest, they will become very numerous as the WCG crunching fleet is gradually updated, and their total contribution could greatly outweigh the contributions by the comparatively few people who are likely to have efficient discrete GPU cards.

IGPs may also be more energy-efficient (work done per Joule ) than discrete graphics cards. IGPs don't suffer the energy overheads of communicating via an external bus (PCIE etc), and current ones are now implemented in the same technology size as their attached CPU cores; CPU technology shrinkage has always led that of GPUs. E.g., Ivy Bridge will be 22nm, while the forthcoming high-end ATI 7000 series will be 28nm. Dinosaurs, really wink ...
OTOH, The Ivy Bridge IGP will share the L3 CPU cache with the CPU cores, and could slow down CPU processing. Chip cooling could also be a problem especially for overclockers.

IGPs could be the big win for GPU crunching on WCG (but see [Edit] above).
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Re: HCC with GPU

For now at least integrated graphics chips are not being recognized by BOINC. There are several threads related to this and probably a FAQ if one were interested.
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Re: HCC with GPU

@KWSN: Hmmm ... Re-examining my post (above) I discover that there is not yet actual OpenCL support for Intel's IGPs sad . See edits to the post. And the Ivy Bridge ("IVB") IGP may have too many differences from the Sandy Bridge ("SNB") unit that Intel may not bother providing retro support for it even if/when they do OpenCL for IVB.

OTOH it's very likely that Intel's IGPs will eventually support OpenCL, since Intel are a member of the non-profit technology consortium Khronos Group which manages OpenCL , and Apple, who defined OpenCL are a very large Intel customer. I think Apple will be very keen to have OpenCL run on its notebooks, and for reasons of power consumption the only way they could probably achieve that is to use the IGP.
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Re: HCC with GPU

For now at least integrated graphics chips are not being recognized by BOINC.


This is true of Intel integrated graphics chips. However, BOINC development versions 7.0.2+ already recognize the GPUs integrated into AMD Fusion chips (currently Brazos and Llano; Trinity should be out this summer).
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I think my priority will remain CPU crunching because I want to allocate most of my electricity $$ to projects other than HCC. However, I'll be interested in contributing with efficient low-end GPU devices.


I recall an instructor in a course on CUDA programming in the summer of 2010 saying that at that time, the ION was one of the most efficient Nvidia graphics cards. Although its total output is small, its very low power consumption let it beat out the big boys in terms of FLOPS per watt.

I doubt that the ION itself is near the top in efficiency anymore, but I too am keeping my eye out for less power-hungry GPUs and IGPs as a way to increase my crunching contribution without breaking the bank or overheating my home.
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I think my priority will remain CPU crunching because I want to allocate most of my electricity $$ to projects other than HCC. However, I'll be interested in contributing with efficient low-end GPU devices.


I recall an instructor in a course on CUDA programming in the summer of 2010 saying that at that time, the ION was one of the most efficient Nvidia graphics cards. Although its total output is small, its very low power consumption let it beat out the big boys in terms of FLOPS per watt.

I doubt that the ION itself is near the top in efficiency anymore, but I too am keeping my eye out for less power-hungry GPUs and IGPs as a way to increase my crunching contribution without breaking the bank or overheating my home.


One thing I have just RE discovered is that older pc's use MUCH more power than newer pc's do! I just bought the parts to build two X6 pc's and using a watt detector I got for Christmas discovered that running an AMD FX-6100, a 6 core Bulldozer cpu, takes about the same number of watts as an older dual core pc! Since I took down two pc's I did have to get a motherboard capable of handling multiple gpu's but even with dual AMD 5770's in the pc it is only using around 300 watts, that is only 60 more than the dual core pc with a single AMD 5770 gpu in it! I did the same thing for my other X6, an AMD 1090T cpu, and it is using around 300 to 320 watts. And again I took down two older dual core pc's and moved their AMD 5770's gpu's over to the new machine. I have 12 cpu cores, in those two machines, replacing 8 cpu cores and doing it more efficiently! More power using less electricity is a GOOD thing!!!
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Re: HCC with GPU

For now at least integrated graphics chips are not being recognized by BOINC.


This is true of Intel integrated graphics chips. However, BOINC development versions 7.0.2+ already recognize the GPUs integrated into AMD Fusion chips (currently Brazos and Llano; Trinity should be out this summer).

So, any of the BOINC projects supporting them?
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Re: HCC with GPU

For now at least integrated graphics chips are not being recognized by BOINC.

This is true of Intel integrated graphics chips. However, BOINC development versions 7.0.2+ already recognize the GPUs integrated into AMD Fusion chips (currently Brazos and Llano; Trinity should be out this summer).

So, any of the BOINC projects supporting them?


I run POEM on a Brazos E-350 chip, and I used to run Collatz, Prime Grid, and Moo Wrapper on it before POEM came out with an OpenCL application. My guess is that these would run on Llano as well, but I can't verify with personal experience.

Edited to add: POEM is the only one of the above-mentioned projects that requires BOINC 7.0.2 or later to run on the GPU in the Fusion chip. The other three don't use OpenCL and so can run on those GPUs under earlier BOINC versions.
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