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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I guess it's time for me to jump in at this point with an update on several issues for NRW. It is not dead. Science: The original intention was just to put up the best structures for each sequence that was there and give a best guess at the function based on the similarity of the best structures to the existing protein structures where we know the function. We decided that this was not going to be useful in itself without some quantification of how likely the predictions were correct. Problem, is that there are almost no experimentally derived structures with which to make a comparison set where we *know* the answer. So we did the next best thing, take the sequences which had a decent degree of sequence similarity to known structures and make homology models - basically superpose the existing structure onto the new sequence. With good sequence matches this is a very accurate technique and provides with a set of structures to compare the NRW predictions and gauge the accuracy. So we did this with the 2000 best matching sequences (out of the 62000) and found that for almost 38% of the sequences, NRW had gotten a similar result in terms getting the right family of folds, at least for a sub-domain of 40 residues or more. This is a great result - but we need to be able to both identify the correct substructure and to identify when it was correctly predicted and when it was not, or at least come up with a confidence value. This is what we are doing now. GPUs We have continued with the GPU work. I have ported a lot of our ATI stuff from Brook+ to OpenCL which is a much nicer language once you find the subset that is actually supported and figure out what the GPU is actually doing under the hood. We are actively using GPUs in the analyses. The ProtinfoAB client has long been ported to GPUs and thoroughly tested as a Brook+ app and it is on the short list of things to port to OpenCL. I shouldn't say port actually since it is quite different from the original client with many improvements. Thats the main reason it's taking time - not so much the actual coding, but improving the algorithm which takes priority over writing it in OpenCL. Haven't yet played with the NVIDIA flavor of OpenCL but we have some new NVIDIA GPUs for this purpose. Funding The funding environment right now is very poor. Even the best applications are getting rejected now which is a real pity. For us, we need to publish the results of NRW before we can ask for money to continue the work with 1KP. This is reasonable. At the same time, we don't want to make the data as useful as possible before putting it out. There is quite a bit of skepticism about how well this approach will work. This again is fair, but again, I think that explains the motivation in making sure that the function predictions are the best that we can make them before putting them on the website. I hope this answers some of your questions and I will be updating the website soon. Hong @Fredski So do I... @lhhung Have you tried the Gates Foundation? They have given money to rosetta@home which is also run by the University of Washington. I'm sure it's worth the shot. ![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 3010 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Yes, thanks for the update.
----------------------------------------Just because we've finished crunching the WU's doesn't mean that we've lost interest in the project - so, an update every now and again, is certainly appreciated ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Yes that was a typo. We want the best function predictions possible.
We did try the Gates Foundation. Perhaps it was because of the problems that they have had with Golden rice but for what ever reason our proposal was not funded. But yes, it was worth a shot. Hong |
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Former Member
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@llhung,
Stumbled on this interesting article of dry-rice growing versus wet. http://www.hope-international.com/projects-an...ure/dry-rice-farming.html and was curious how the analysis was progressing and if thought was spend on the low methane / hi methane element of feeding half the world population of mostly in water grown rice, with water becoming a more sparse article. --//-- |
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mikey
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 10, 2009 Post Count: 824 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I guess it's time for me to jump in at this point with an update on several issues for NRW. It is not dead. Funding At the same time, we don't want to make the data as useful as possible before putting it out. Hong I really do hope this is a translation error... Having a son as a Chemist/Researcher I can say that what he probably meant was not giving it all away before publishing and having someone else steal your idea. Apparently that is a big problem in their World. ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Mikey
Everything about this project is open - results, data, code. In the case of NRW, adequate methods to analyze the data from 10 billion noisy protein models simply dd not exist - so honestly, the last thing I am worried about is being scooped. This is one of the few advantages of being at the bleeding edge. I was much more worried that the new methods being developed actually work and that the results from NRW are as useful as possible so that similar approaches in the future will be funded. It is very hard to convince funding agencies, especially these days, to fund anything that hasnt been thoroughly tested and "guaranteed" to give something useful. This is one the many disadvantages of being at the bleeding edge. However, this is starting to come together finally as the new methods are benchmarking well on our test sets. We've just had a paper accepted in Bioinformatics on one a new GPU-optimised algorithm that we are using to choose the best structures. I should have the pipeline up and running in the next week and we will start putting up structures on our website soon. More to come... Hong |
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rilian
Veteran Cruncher Ukraine - we rule! Joined: Jun 17, 2007 Post Count: 1460 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hong, thank you for your work! Please post more updates to crunchers and we will be happy to give our resources to speed up science
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Former Member
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So does this mean a new project could be underway? Not soon obviously but perhaps later this year or the next?
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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So does this mean a new project could be underway? Not soon obviously but perhaps later this year or the next? No. ![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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MONK_DUCK
Cruncher Joined: Mar 6, 2007 Post Count: 37 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks for the update.
Out of curiosity how much funding are we talking about? |
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