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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

I know at least one company that used bio degradable lubricants over 20 years ago and had ZERO SPILL in their performance contracts, ZERO SPILL, top down. Obviously this is one example where it's not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36870222/ns/us_news-environment/

Trace elements... good old carbon in fluid for. We KNOW 390 CO2 ppmv in the atmosphere has consequences starting at the 15 um wavelength. We KNOW that 1 drop of oil is enough to make 1 million litres of water unsuitable for drinking. So how much water do you think this does?
At least 1.6 million gallons of oil have spilled so far, according to Coast Guard estimates, making it one of the worst U.S. oil spills in decades.


And this may continue to gush out for months if they cant's get the BOP closed or that dome installed over the riser remains.

A major spill very unlikely to happen? Another one who's had a reality check!

DA, do they have an office near Odiham?
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Inexorably disappearing?

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

Who is telling us porky's?
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For the self-Declared:

Daily Departure - April 30, 2010 (Day 120)


http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/arctic.seaice.color.003.png

See those 2 Sea Ice holes off the Canadian coast?

So how thick is that sea ice extent?

Ask these guys on the 2010 North Pole Trek:

http://www.mikescholes.dreamhosters.com/northpole2010/
15 April 2010 13:43 GMT Arrived at the North Pole. As our path was blocked by open water and thin ice, we hitched a lift in a Russian helicopter for the last few miles.


So what was Mark Serreze talking about?
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So in big print to better let it sit on the back for the retina:
15 April 2010 13:43 GMT Arrived at the North Pole. As our path was blocked by open water and thin ice, we hitched a lift in a Russian helicopter for the last few miles .

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DA, do you remember what Sea Ice Extent is?

Let me republish the March values for the past 31 years.



Year to Year is no indicator... sea ice can inter-annually vary 37% as reported by that NSIDC, the source of your image... therefor, to see where it's going, climate wise one has to look and long series of data.
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Just in case you were thinking the Icelandic Volcano with the unpronounceable name had stopped erupting.....

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/

It's giving it some today

Maybe Sek we will soon be back to our lovely clean air with all those nasty nasty, incredibly efficient at completely combusting hydrocarbons, jet planes grounded again laughing

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I recently sat right at the back squashed in the corner of an AVRO RJ85 operated by Lufthansa (As a Brit I couldn't get my head around the irony of flying in a AVRO from Munich - I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it)

From this vantage point I had full view of the rear of the 2 Jet Engines on my wing http://www.honeywell.com/sites/portal?smap=ae...29-2C8E98E7BC80&sel=2

Any child drawing a Jet Plane would always have huge great flames coming out of the back (And at KAF I have seen this first hand) but out of the back of the AVRO nothing. Not so much as a glow, no contrails, nothing

Compare this to http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/


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Frankly I think, DA, you've not even got an inkling and are expert in blocking anything you don't like and in conflict of your believes... the inconvenient truths. You think it is all funny considering the frequent use of ROFLMAO. Astrolab recently as did Didactylos 2 years ago suggested how you would be perceived. CO2 is the biggest control knob on climate apart of the earth cycle deviations that happen **. WATCH http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/lectures/lecture_videos/A23A.shtml maybe with your daughters so you can explain to them how it does not work and why the scientists are wrong.

edit: ** The Milankovic cycles posted on several times before: http://www.homepage.montana.edu/~geol445/hyperglac/time1/milankov.htm
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PS, the US Army Corps is on it too:

January 6th, 2010
Climate Change and USACE

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The weather here in Washington, DC is down-right cold, and we only recently saw the record snowfall of a few weeks ago melt enough that we could reasonably get around. But what we’ve been experiencing is nothing compared to, say, Minnesota or Wisconsin. There was a news report the other day that said the low temperature in one part of Minnesota was so low (-37), that it would have to heat up 69 degrees just to not be below freezing. That’s just crazy cold. In other parts of the world, though, glaciers are melting at a record pace and drought still has people in California under water conservation orders.

Needless to say, all this extreme weather poses an opportunity to talk about what we are doing at USACE with regard to climate change, in our role as the nation’s environmental engineers. Gen. Casey, Army Chief of Staff, has said that we are in what he calls “an era of persistent conflict.” Part of that is because of climate change and how it can be a game-changer, creating “haves and “have-nots” around the world.

I am a member of a United Nations committee called the “High-level Panel on Water and Disasters.” Last year I presented our report in Istanbul, Turkey. It was a phenomenal conference. We came to the conclusion that we need to do much better planning – on a worldwide scale. We have to ask ourselves – what will our response be? What might the early warnings be? What would be the evacuation plans? What would be those measures that an individual can take? What about local and state governments? Federal? And I’m not just talking about the U.S. – we all need to be asking these questions, all around the world.

Know that we are planning for all these contingencies, and more than that – we are putting the full capabilities of our Engineer Research and Development Center to work. We are currently involved in several water studies about conservation and reuse, and we are always working on sustainable practices and technologies. In fact, at Fort Irwin in California, we are currently working on the Department of Defense’s largest solar energy project.

We also collaborated with the U.S. Geological Survey, the Bureau of Reclamation and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to write “Climate Change and Water Resources Management: A Federal Perspective,” released last February, that assessed approaches to climate variability and change in water resources management, on which future agency policies, methods, and processes will be based. And this past summer, we issued a new policy, “Incorporating Sea-Level Change Considerations in Civil Works Programs,” that instructs our project managers to be prepared to implement flexible planning and engineering adaptations that account for a range of possible changes.

The bottom line is – we are planning and preparing for – and doing everything we can to prevent – issues related to climate change. It’s a very real concern that could have very real consequences all over the world, and we’re on it.

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The best link ever

http://www.co2science.org/articles/V13/N16/C2.php

Just look at the names on that... Phil Jones, Keith Briffa et al


In the words of the seven scientists, "temperatures during the warmest intervals of the Medieval Warm Period," which they defined as occurring "some 900 to 1300 years ago, "were as warm as or slightly warmer than present day Greenland temperatures."


So 1300 years ago it was as warm or slightly warmer than today and that's before the industrial revolution. thinking

It's good to know the MWP is now back in the data


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