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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

I saw this today on Google

It was a quote by the late great Peter Ustinov

"Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious."


I like that

btw Sek there isn't any instrument up there measuring Ice Volume (it hasn't been switched on yet) that is why we need Cryosat 2

http://www.esa.int/esaLP/ESAOMH1VMOC_LPcryosat_0.html

so anything else is just conjecture.....

much like the claim that Man is effecting climate warming in the most significant way by the increase of just 0.01%, over the last 150 years, of a gas in the atmosphere responsible for practically all life on earth through the wonder of photosynthesis.

That kind of conjecture wink

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Forgot to post this in our rush to get out the house... still totally stumped on the basis of extensive knowledge we have on the Arctic sea ice state of affairs [a 10C less cool Arctic for longer periods of the 2010 winter] how a series of dates showing the peak occurs later and later... not quite that linear ... and attaching any significance to that as were things looking up. Now are they when we combine a picture to some numbers, then let the numbers speak to the picture? This is it per JAXA, counting anything over 15% concentration:



These are the number pulled from JAXA:



What do they tell is? Let me volunteer that the late freeze formed a base to build suggestion theory on thin ice and that's not very save, scientifically speaking... Sea Ice Extent shrinking since maximum occurred at neck breaking 50k km square a day. I think I'll never be skating with DA on his ice of choice.

This one, self updating, so bookmark if you will. Trying to get my head around how winter peak 2010 came 26 day later than 2009, had the same extent, yet as of yesterday, 545,000 km^2 has gone more since April 18 and 2010 stands at 337,000 less in absolute terms. Going to hunt for Bueller to get an answer. Is it Joules instead of Watts doing this :?

70,157 km square gone over last night. 2010 dropped it's ranking 1 spot, record daily reduction of 55,216 km square since maximum. It's now -387,344 km^2 less than 2009 as well. Should we reintroduce the sizes of countries to get a feel for this? Japan is 377,873 km^2. and what went in the previous 24 hours is nearly Scotland (78,772)

Let's not talk about temperature... 4 months 2010 per UAH and RSS show a 31 year satellite instrumental record.
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Yep it has glissaded in amongst it's peers, it is no longer the 1st placed outlier in the JAXA data

Still not on an inexorably decline or indeed unusual in any way

We regularly lose 3 Belgium's worth of Sea Ice Extent a day at the North Pole at this time of year. In another 6 months it will be returning at the same rate

Just like it has always done while we have been able to observe it

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Book recommendation for those who missed stats class:
Price: €9.45

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In handy pocket book format for passing time on trains to Bruxelles avoiding the force to just stare out that window.
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No comment on global cooling--??
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If you can find sustained global cooling, let me know. The sun has since about year 0 AD.

PS: [OT] You had your Ubuntu answer, yesterday [/OT]
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Think Bueller has sussed things out and thus proofed to be smarter than the average not to answer. Let's try the melt total since 2010 peak that occurred on March 31. Amazingly, there was quite a bit more ice in 2003, yet in the same period more disappeared in 2010.



Would it help to collective think the glass is half full and then try to skate on thin ice... the power of the mind? The unimaginable hope of that magic variable that's going to show it Ain't True that man is doing this and should they do, it's so insignificant, it's negligible. [we read it here in this threat... yes doubts are sneaking in. Could We?]

PS: Think a UK judge had no doubt and ruled that it was few humans and their land use changing the snow top of Mount Kilimanjaro. We are 6.8 billion and counting. He's missed the physics of Infrared back-radiation and atmospheric CO2 being now 390 ppmv responding at 15 um and other bands.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270...8.html?mod=fox_australian

Warmer Climate Gives Cheer to Makers of British Bubbly
Thanks to Milder Summers, England Takes Some Air Out of France's Famous Tipple

Official data indicate that the past 10 years were the warmest on record globally. In England, this led to plumper and riper grapes most seasons, especially for sparkling wines. The number of vineyards in the U.K. jumped to 416 in 2008 from 363 in 2000, according the trade group English Wine Producers.

"Just 20 years ago, it was really difficult to make good wine in cooler climate areas," says Gregory Jones, who studies the effect of climate change on the global wine industry at Southern Oregon University. "Now it's not such a challenge."

With the help of warmer summers, "some of the risk of making sparkling wine here is gone," says Mike Roberts, founder and chief winemaker of the Ridgeview estate here, 45 miles south of London. "We have everything going for us to out-Champagne Champagne."

Last year, the fifth-hottest on record, Ridgeview's grapes ripened two weeks earlier than usual, allowing for the harvest to be brought in before the onset of wet October weather. Mr. Roberts and other English winemakers say 2009 was one of the best growing seasons they've seen.

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re-post

a gas in the atmosphere responsible for practically all life on earth through the wonder of photosynthesis.

http://www.bloggersforchange.com/?p=25671

Let's meet coal apologist Fred Palmer.

Mr. Palmer is currently the Vice-President for Government Relations of Peabody Coal. But go back a decade or so and Mr. Palmer was the head of the so-called Western Fuels Association, a front group for the coal industry. In that capacity, he said something in an interview that could best be described as, well, revelatory:

Every time you turn your car on, and you burn fossil fuels and you put CO2 in the air, you're doing the work of the Lord, absolutely.

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Yep it has glissaded in amongst it's peers, it is no longer the 1st placed outlier in the JAXA data

Still not on an inexorably decline or indeed unusual in any way


We regularly lose 3 Belgium's worth of Sea Ice Extent a day at the North Pole at this time of year. In another 6 months it will be returning at the same rate

Just like it has always done while we have been able to observe it

Dave

Enlarged for emphasis, and reposting the reposted of May 10, and asking the question where there is no inexorably decline? Bueller for pete's sake speak up.
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For DA we've got something else... it was coming. Sea Ice Extent, Sea Ice Area and yes, now it's there, Sea Ice Volume, updated on a bi-daily basis... The Real Real stuff. It ain't looking good and must explain why that layer as seen from space is disappearing as, yes... snow for that rather spotless sun.



http://psc.apl.washington.edu/ArcticSeaiceVolume/IceVolume.php

Now reading charts has never been my strength, so with the number typed out it may be more impressive. 8 thousand cubic kilometers negative anomaly. How many watts would that take to do that in such a short time?

Wonder when global cooling is going to set in?

PS, BIIIIG numbers, if flattened to 1 meter thick, it's

8,000,000,000,000 meters square surface missing. Woah, that's more than half of the Arctic winter peak and a very very large percent of Single Year Ice that is expected to have gone by September.

May have the zero's wrong... easy to be blinded by big numbers ;P

Normal? Where? Got any better information that proofs it Ain't true? What happened to those thousands of cubic kilometers of sea ice that has not been back for a long time? Not in summer, not in winter! Still only seeing that glossy outside are you not DA?

But give you that, the Belgian pralines contain lots of wonderful chocolate and that can cause a ruse. They give it to soldiers to pump them up.
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