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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

-Helle-

Thanks for joining in biggrin

I'm a Telecoms Engineer but Eso would have it that I'm a Big Oil Shill getting bags of $'s delivered to my door every day.

Unfortunately it's only on the last Thursday of each month and they are €'s wink

Just dropped by to say the line this thread has been waiting for....


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And so whilst those of Odiham have another laugh, IRONY had it that what I posted yesterday:
April 18-May 3 Sea Ice Decline in km square + percent of Arctic SIE peak.
2010 -828,125 lost -5,75%
2009 -529,531 lost -3,67%
2008 -503,125 lost -3,47%
2007 -406,094 lost -2,92%
2006 -812,656 lost -5,90%
2005 -548.906 lost -3,89%
2004 -496.406 lost -3,47%
2003 -743.437 lost -5,01%

Looks like 2010 is a record speed decline in absolute km square and 2nd in % decline from peak, just when that copper plow came above the horizon.

... ties in well with a comment that NSIDC released in their monthly summary for April, while I was doing other things:



A closer look
While NSIDC primarily uses the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager (SSM/I) and Special Sensor Microwave Imager/Sounder (SSMIS) sensors to track long-term conditions, we also look at data from higher-resolution sensors to assess current conditions in more detail. An image from NASA’s Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer - Earth Observing System (AMSR-E) sensor from April 19 reveals numerous polynyas , or areas of open water in the pack ice in the Bering Sea, and broad areas of more scattered ice cover in the Sea of Okhotsk, Barents Sea, and Hudson Bay. Such conditions usually indicate that ice is about to retreat rapidly. Over much of the coastline in this image, there is an indication of low-concentration sea ice. This is an artifact of mixed pixel areas, which contain both water and land. The same effect is seen occasionally in the SSM/I record.

For more information about the satellites NSIDC uses to track sea ice, see the Arctic Sea Ice News Frequently Asked Questions Web page.


He who laughs last laughs best, if there were anything to laugh about or do a ROFLMOA act for lie down comedians' clientèle ... think it's saver.



How things show when it becomes inconvenient! Will we see a 12.5 million km square date comparison as a soother?
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I love this thread and the friendly arguing.

Do any of you actually know what you are talking about (like your profession is studying the climate) or are you just very good at finding links supporting your point of view?

/Helle
(newbie and don't know who you are and what you do for a living)

Here is a a good link--- http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22782
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I love this thread and the friendly arguing.

Do any of you actually know what you are talking about (like your profession is studying the climate) or are you just very good at finding links supporting your point of view?

/Helle
(newbie and don't know who you are and what you do for a living)

Here is a a good link--- http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22782

You're a birther too? Oh boy, the conspiracies never end! laughing

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No idea what that birth certificate tangent has anything to do with climate or environment or how to make electricity in ways that do not harm the world we live in. We, representing the other 96% of the planets population visit and participate in this thread to discuss maybe things how it came that oil companies lobbied the past administrations and parliaments to have WORLDWIDE economic damage caused by their business due oil spills is capped at 75 million US? Now that had me wonder and am sure Bueller has an answer to that.

BUT, what is of far greater concern is that wheat has lost 8% of it's nutritious value due increase in atmospheric CO2 levels, just trace as DA ad nauseam has been repeating [it's still 38% from 280 ppmv to 390 ppmv].

Like orange trees need frosty spells in order to do their cycle and be able to actually seed oranges, the news brings today that the nights are not cooling enough for Rice to grow properly. Now that affects billions of people.
Warmer Nights Threaten India's Rice Production
Climate change has made nights warmer in India over the past decade, an ominous sign for the nation's vital rice crop

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=warmer-nights-india-rice

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PS: For those that are actually concerned about the longer future of the USoA: http://www.unscientificamerica.com/

The Crisis of Scientific Illiteracy
Climate change, the energy crisis, global pandemics, nuclear proliferation—many of the most urgent problems of the twenty-first century require science-based solutions. Yet Americans are paying less and less attention to scientists. For every five hours of cable news, less than a minute is devoted to science; the number of newspapers with weekly science sections has shrunken by two-thirds over the past several decades. Just 18 percent of Americans personally know a scientist to begin with, and exceedingly few can name a living scientist role model. No wonder rejection of science is rampant: 46 percent of Americans deny evolution and think the Earth is less than 10,000 years old; large numbers of Republicans continue to attack the science of climate change; and the public—including its wealthiest and best educated sectors—is in dangerous retreat from childhood vaccinations.

The disconnect between the scientific community and mainstream American culture grows wider every day.


Don't tell me this is what DA was talking about: Science no longer REGARDED as what it used to be. IRONIC as where this thought prevails most.

In the last few days long theorized exotic particles have been appearing in the Large Hadron Collider http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36976546/. That IS science. Discovery without fear of what it tells us... that man is changing the planet irreversibly.
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

snips
28th April 2003
15th April 2004
25th April 2005
19th April 2006
15th April 2007
25th April 2008
5th May 2009
3rd May 2010


The dates the Sea Ice Extent according to

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

fell below 13 Million km2

thinking

...

April 18-May 3 Sea Ice Decline in km square + percent of Arctic SIE peak.
2010 -828,125 lost -5,75%
2009 -529,531 lost -3,67%
2008 -503,125 lost -3,47%
2007 -406,094 lost -2,92%
2006 -812,656 lost -5,90%
2005 -548.906 lost -3,89%
2004 -496.406 lost -3,47%
2003 -743.437 lost -5,01%

Looks like 2010 is a record speed decline in absolute km square and 2nd in % decline from peak, just when that copper plow came above the horizon.

It's cup cake thin ice. The oceans world wide show record monthly surface temperature anomalies... more vapor to go around with that, more clouds for feedback... you know your ~95% of the GHG's, DA!

Update: April 18-May 5 Sea Ice Decline in km square + percent of Arctic SIE peak.
2010 -1,009,375 lost -7,01%
2009 -584,218 lost -4,05%
2008 -600,313 lost -4,14%
2007 -549,688 lost -3,95%
2006 -1,000,156 lost -7,26%
2005 -656.250 lost -4,65%
2004 -692.500 lost -4,84%
2003 -852,812 lost -5,75%

The cup cake thin ice is still on record decline track and Bueller remains ominously silent... it's the weatherman that strikes fear... why would that melt all of a sudden go so fast after that supposed recovery and late freeze up?



DA, can you see that Arctic SIE is now 220,000 km square less than 2009, this date?

Santa Claus is still so far away... he's looking for a new home... all that perennial ice going in whole sale.

PS: Will we see a 12.5 million km square date comparison? At present pace we'll predict to see one on May 9. Heath thé though for the girly weatherman: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/06/weatherman-freaks-out-at_n_452196.html
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No idea what that birth certificate tangent has anything to do with climate or environment or how to make electricity in ways that do not harm the world we live in. We, representing the other 96% of the planets population visit and participate in this thread to discuss maybe things how it came that oil companies lobbied the past administrations and parliaments to have WORLDWIDE economic damage caused by their business due oil spills is capped at 75 million US? Now that had me wonder and am sure Bueller has an answer to that.

BUT, what is of far greater concern is that wheat has lost 8% of it's nutritious value due increase in atmospheric CO2 levels, just trace as DA ad nauseam has been repeating [it's still 38% from 280 ppmv to 390 ppmv].

Like orange trees need frosty spells in order to do their cycle and be able to actually seed oranges, the news brings today that the nights are not cooling enough for Rice to grow properly. Now that affects billions of people.
Warmer Nights Threaten India's Rice Production
Climate change has made nights warmer in India over the past decade, an ominous sign for the nation's vital rice crop

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=warmer-nights-india-rice

It has nothing to do with GW--just stirring the pot--on another point,don't you think eventually all of the good nutrients will be removed from the soil??More important than warming don't you think?? The farmers are putting more and more chemicals in the ground to grow food--the runoff getting in the rivers and streams.Not to mention the hormones and such being injected into animals that we eat.
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Sounds quite a lot like something Dave Autumns would say:

http://www.bloggersforchange.com/?p=25671

Let's meet coal apologist Fred Palmer.

Mr. Palmer is currently the Vice-President for Government Relations of Peabody Coal. But go back a decade or so and Mr. Palmer was the head of the so-called Western Fuels Association, a front group for the coal industry. In that capacity, he said something in an interview that could best be described as, well, revelatory:

Every time you turn your car on, and you burn fossil fuels and you put CO2 in the air, you're doing the work of the Lord, absolutely.

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Every time you turn your car on, and you burn fossil fuels and you put CO2 in the air, you're doing the work of the Lord, absolutely.


or more likely Sekhmet ...

Sekhmet was represented as a lioness or as a woman with lion's head. Her weapons were arrows "with which she pierces hearts" and a fiery glow emanated from her body. The hot desert winds were regarded as the Goddess's hot breath. She was connected with the fire-spitting Uraeus of the King and thereby became the "Eye of Ra".

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