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Sekerob
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OK, back to climate and a paper touching on various including whom to trust on solar science.
----------------------------------------Climate Change: The Role of Flawed Science An analysis by Peter Laut â November 2009 http://www.realclimate.org/wp-content/uploads...IS-CLIMATE-CHANGE-CPN.pdf a short Excerpt: Svensmark has never tried to defend himself properly, i.e., by a peer reviewed reply article, against these serious charges. FriisâChristensen once tried to defend himself against the criticism of the 1991âScience article. However, the apparent rebuttal in his replyâarticle was only achieved by introducing two simple arithmetic errors, which were well hidden in the article and quite difficult to spot. The two arithmetic errors artificially created an agreement of the new observational data with the values of the 1991âarticle. Applying correct arithmetic the support of the solar theory totally vanishes (See my 2003âarticle for details). The strong human appeal of solar theory The solar theory apparently has a strong emotional appeal to an important segment of the public. And, opposition to it can lead to political reprisal with severe consequences for the funding of individual researchers and research institutes. Several books and many TV âdocumentariesâ have appeared, promoting the solar theory. To mention a few: The TV documentary âThe Great Global Swindleâ by Martin Durkin was shown on UKâs Channel 4 in March 2007. And a whole series of films by Lars Mortensen: âThe Climate Conflictâ from 2001, broadcast in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, France, Germany, Belgium, Spain and Portugal . âDoomsday Called offâ from 2004, broadcast in Denmark, Belgium, Finland, Canada, Norway, Middle East and Asia. And âThe Cloud Mysteryâ from 2008, broadcast in Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, France, Belgium, Australia, Poland, Greece, Italy, Israel and France. Some readers may find this list long and boring. Others may find it scary. It can be seen as a threat to the authority of sound science, originating from a mixture of popular wishful thinking, populist deception and industrial interests. Many of these films are created with great artistic talent, and have â apparently â convinced millions of ordinary people and many political decision makers all over the world that global warming is caused by solar activity and not by human made greenhouse gasses. How can the worldâs politicians make responsible decisions, when their voters are seduced to believe in fairytales? The myth â describing a small group of ingenious scientists, who have arrived at the ultimate truth about climate, who have identified the sun as the mighty culprit, and who are shunned by a stubborn, envious establishment of old, narrowâminded professors â has a strong appeal to many. It is good stuff for an artistic film maker. It can be molded into a moving story â mixing images of lonely heroes, brave, fighting underdogs, with beautiful pictures of the sun and clouds. And it turns out that neither the filmmaker nor the audience can be influenced by being told that the solemnly presented graphs on the screen are rigged. and more Who is to blame? Who is to blame for the development of this irrational cult of a postulated solar influence upon the Earthâs climate? The IPCC is not without responsibility for providing the free ride for solar crusaders. Because the IPCC has never made it clear, that the problem with the widely circulated, infamous figures of 1991 and 1998 â which probably have been the most important persuaders â is not a question of scientific uncertainty and differing opinion, but a case of manipulated data that have nothing to do with reality. Instead of merely describing Svensmarkâs contributions as âcontroversialâ, some stronger words from the IPCC would have been appropriate. In a language that could be understood by ordinary citizens. There are many other examples of the failure of the scientific community to prevent misinformation. And this is abused by the Ain't True-Ist lobby with enviable skill (and loads of money to compensate, buying space in papers) And bringing up Godwin's law as was just done by David Autumns... a sad sad case.
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Former Member
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And bringing up Godwin's law as was just done by David Autumns... a sad sad case. Now that is funny Sek. I know I should'nt laugh where such things are concerned and I'm sorry if anyone is offended. Dr Goebbels would be impressed with the efficiency of the IPCC machine though.Oh no ! Godwin was right. How did I get here ? ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 23, 2010 4:06:03 PM] |
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Sek they are continuing up because they all have the relevant fiddle factor applied They are not anomalies I wish as much as you do that they were a true representation of reality as that would be science However....this is not science. This is science perverted by political goals. ![]() |
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David Autumns
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Eso it would only be a conspiracy if it wasn't so publicly acknowledged
----------------------------------------∴ not conspiracy Unfortunately for all of us it's fact Put up as many personal slurs as you like. It doesn't change a thing this is not science, this is science perverted by political goals. For those in the UK This is not just science, this is M&S Science Dave ![]() |
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Sekerob
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Don't know why this popped onto my screen (a conspiracy), but it did when looking for trawlers:
----------------------------------------http://www.thefreedictionary.com/troglodyte There was a band in my previous life going by that name maybe, the Troggles or the Troggs and a song too The Troglodyte on our path to regression. For sure the preventative measure for that is requiring the introduction of the advanced tinfoil hat, to go with Joh Yanta 2010, advanced model ![]() The wearers of such hats live in houses like this: ![]() with a tinfoil can, because you never know all the variables as to where it might be coming from... ![]() and in case it comes from below ![]() -129C real feel here... no wonder these coolers think it ain't true.
WCG
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Hey, I want one of those hats Sek. Where can I get one ?
---------------------------------------- I still have bacofoil protecting my ADSL line BTW. Off for my dinner. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 23, 2010 5:06:15 PM] |
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David Autumns
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"Put up as many personal slurs as you like"
----------------------------------------That message also applies to you Sek Thanks Dave ![]() |
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David Autumns
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There is no conspiracy
----------------------------------------This is out there for all to see Read it for yourself http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAc...b4-4fdf-bd15-12b7df1a0b63 ![]() |
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Eso it would only be a conspiracy if it wasn't so publicly acknowledged ∴ not conspiracy It's a conspiracy theory by definition. You're claiming that the governments of 130 countries have conspired together to pay thousands of scientists to create false data in order to raise taxes. "Hoax", "fraud" and "ruse" are all euphemisms for what it really is: a conspiracy theory. Not only do you claim that the IPCC is a giant conspiracy, but also any university/institution/society/etc which supports AGW is part of the conspiracy. Thus, as I've said over and over, your conspiracy theory is impervious to any evidence because all evidence supporting AGW is part of the conspiracy. As mentioned previously many times regarding the HadCRU e-mails: 1. blown out of proportion. 2. there are MANY other data sets. Sorry this is not a smoking gun. Please enlighten us as to who's at the top of the cabal? Bilderberg, Freemason, or Illuminati? Must be Illuminati, because they have the all-seeing eye at the top of the pyramid. |
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David Autumns
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Thanks for your carefully considered and reasoned response.
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