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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

A vast iceberg which broke off the Antarctic continent this month could disrupt the world's ocean currents and weather patterns, scientists warn.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8538060.stm

They must be ramping up (scraping the barrel of) the "we are all doomed" rumour mill offensive back at the BBC in light of recent events.

Got to keep the Masses living in fear biggrin


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I'm glad you find the destruction of the earth amusing.
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This falls in the funniest news of the week, so get your coffee out of the way, go to the shop and get depends, put one on, then set yourself before the screen and fasten the 4 point safety belt. Here goes:

Research conducted on thousands in the US found that the IQ of liberals and atheists was 7 to 10 points higher than that of conservatives and religious people. I'm assuming that the IQ tests must have been shaped by the ... well who's conspiring here, since Freemasons too believe in a superior being, the Illuminati do, but the Bildenbergers? Could not find a single positive hit, even a conspiracy to remove that information in one comment: http://conspiracytheory.tribe.net/thread/e3fc2660-01d1-4185-abf7-577a945707c2

Yes, today 21C here at 15:15 hrs and an enormous flock of birds passing over, flying north... I'm sure they'll hit the UK coastline in a few days to start brooding as their preferred food will be out early too. Today noticed the rose shrubs were shooting the first new flower buds... bit early for the time of the year.

It's only the weather, kid you not.
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Climate sceptics are recycled critics of controls on tobacco and acid rain:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-gre...e-change-sceptics-science

Today's campaigners against action on climate change are in many cases backed by the same lobbies, individuals, and organisations that sided with the tobacco industry to discredit the science linking smoking and lung cancer. Later, they fought the scientific evidence that sulphur oxides from coal-fired power plants were causing "acid rain." Then, when it was discovered that certain chemicals called chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were causing the depletion of ozone in the atmosphere, the same groups launched a nasty campaign to discredit that science, too.

Later still, the group defended the tobacco giants against charges that second-hand smoke causes cancer and other diseases. And then, starting mainly in the 1980s, this same group took on the battle against climate change.

When the emails and the IPCC error were brought to light, editorial writers at The Wall Street Journal launched a vicious campaign describing climate science as a hoax and a conspiracy. They claimed that scientists were fabricating evidence in order to obtain government research grants — a ludicrous accusation, I thought at the time, given that the scientists under attack have devoted their lives to finding the truth, and have certainly not become rich relative to their peers in finance and business.

But then I recalled that this line of attack — charging a scientific conspiracy to drum up "business" for science — was almost identical to that used by The Wall Street Journal and others in the past, when they fought controls on tobacco, acid rain, ozone depletion, second-hand smoke, and other dangerous pollutants. In other words, their arguments were systematic and contrived, not at all original to the circumstances.


Just because Group A was wrong about topic A; it does NOT follow that group B is wrong about topic B. (LOGIC FAIL!)

The trail of oil money funding junk science is very well documented. You're quite a fan of logic. Explain to me how this conspiracy/hoax theory is logical: if all evidence is part of the conspiracy, then the entire conspiracy theory is impervious to ANY evidence. I'm seriously interested as to what evidence will convince someone who believes it's all a conspiracy that it's really not.


I am a fan of logic. The CRU emails showed oil company funding, and active fund seeking of "oil money" from pro AGW groups. So uh, you actually set fire to the wreckage of your argument with the "Trail of oil money" comment.
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This falls in the funniest news of the week, so get your coffee out of the way, go to the shop and get depends, put one on, then set yourself before the screen and fasten the 4 point safety belt. Here goes:

Research conducted on thousands in the US found that the IQ of liberals and atheists was 7 to 10 points higher than that of conservatives and religious people. .


Source?

Even without a source, 7-10 points isn't 1 Standard Deviation as measured by most IQ tests. That amount of difference doesn't make one group Vos Savant's and the others puddles of pudding.

Is your point that it's ok to discriminate based on intellectual capabilities? shock
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Climate sceptics are recycled critics of controls on tobacco and acid rain:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-gre...e-change-sceptics-science

Today's campaigners against action on climate change are in many cases backed by the same lobbies, individuals, and organisations that sided with the tobacco industry to discredit the science linking smoking and lung cancer. Later, they fought the scientific evidence that sulphur oxides from coal-fired power plants were causing "acid rain." Then, when it was discovered that certain chemicals called chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were causing the depletion of ozone in the atmosphere, the same groups launched a nasty campaign to discredit that science, too.

Later still, the group defended the tobacco giants against charges that second-hand smoke causes cancer and other diseases. And then, starting mainly in the 1980s, this same group took on the battle against climate change.

When the emails and the IPCC error were brought to light, editorial writers at The Wall Street Journal launched a vicious campaign describing climate science as a hoax and a conspiracy. They claimed that scientists were fabricating evidence in order to obtain government research grants — a ludicrous accusation, I thought at the time, given that the scientists under attack have devoted their lives to finding the truth, and have certainly not become rich relative to their peers in finance and business.

But then I recalled that this line of attack — charging a scientific conspiracy to drum up "business" for science — was almost identical to that used by The Wall Street Journal and others in the past, when they fought controls on tobacco, acid rain, ozone depletion, second-hand smoke, and other dangerous pollutants. In other words, their arguments were systematic and contrived, not at all original to the circumstances.


Just because Group A was wrong about topic A; it does NOT follow that group B is wrong about topic B. (LOGIC FAIL!)

The trail of oil money funding junk science is very well documented. You're quite a fan of logic. Explain to me how this conspiracy/hoax theory is logical: if all evidence is part of the conspiracy, then the entire conspiracy theory is impervious to ANY evidence. I'm seriously interested as to what evidence will convince someone who believes it's all a conspiracy that it's really not.


I am a fan of logic. The CRU emails showed oil company funding, and active fund seeking of "oil money" from pro AGW groups. So uh, you actually set fire to the wreckage of your argument with the "Trail of oil money" comment.

Do share. I'll post quite a bit about oil money funding anti-AGW soon, but it's Friday night and I have guests arriving shortly.
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The evidence is in those emails you won't read, but talk authoritatively around.
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The evidence is in those emails you won't read, but talk authoritatively around.

I've read - and didn't find anything of substance. And you avoided my question:

Explain to me how this conspiracy/hoax theory is logical: if all evidence is part of the conspiracy, then the entire conspiracy theory is impervious to ANY evidence. I'm seriously interested as to what evidence will convince someone who believes it's all a conspiracy that it's really not.
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Eso

An iceberg floating in the Sea isn't the destruction of the Earth

They have always done this

What is funny is that a single iceberg the size of Luxembourg 2,586 km2 51km*51km "according to scientists" can magically stop an Ocean current

Now that is funny

(incidentally Yorkshire - even in today's cut down state is 11,903 km2)


As is the whaling story - I will blow out all my whale oil lamps immediately and switch on my CFL's I'm sorry for destroying the planet.

now that's farcical

If you want to worry about something useful how about Chile today a magnitude 8.8 the most powerful quake since the 9.1 26th Dec 2004

(the magnitudes are logarithmic!) so I think the Chile quake this morning was 63 times more powerful than the Haiti quake - but don't quote me

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php


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Oh Eso add Davos to the list along with the Bilderberg Group et al

I take it you will claim that this meeting of the powerful doesn't happen either.

We, older and wiser, are clearly all deluded in thinking that something could be arranged collectively amongst the Nations of the Globe

After all the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) was set up by who exactly?

wink

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Oh Eso add Davos to the list along with the Bilderberg Group et al

I take it you will claim that this meeting of the powerful doesn't happen either.

We, older and wiser, are clearly all deluded in thinking that something could be arranged collectively amongst the Nations of the Globe

After all the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC) was set up by who exactly?

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Dave

I never said Bilderberg doesn't happen; I was actually watching a segment about Davos on 60 Minutes (or Dateline or Nightline - don't recall). Very interesting, but not a cabal.

And no, not older and wiser: conspiracy minded.
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