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toss
Senior Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Jan 3, 2007 Post Count: 220 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Who is being naive Nano?
Dave, while I understand your passion about nukes please don't tell me you're naive enough to believe Iran's nuclear ambitions are only to build electricity plants. Why would they be building weapons grade centrifuges if they only have peaceful nuclear plans? Iran is refining to 20% while weapons require >90%. Or perhaps you know more than the IAEA - in which case they would probably appreciate receiving your evidence. They have stated in no uncertain terms that their mission is to wipe Israel off the map. You should move on from that political canard. So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem). So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel". The quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". And just for the record you can build crude nuclear weapons from 20% enriched uranium. Iran now has centrifuges to take the enrichment process to the next level. Why would they need to do that if is isn't for weapons?
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Just so I am not misquoted or misconstrued, nor am I naive.
----------------------------------------I was just pointing out that we hold no moral high ground in the argument against Iran having Nuclear Power When On account of our Climate Change fanaticism we (THE UK) intend to build new Nuke Stations on 8 sites across the UK in the next few years http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13887579 and we (THE UK) have Trident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Trident_programme So despite the implied intent (or otherwise) We (The UK - with France in the same boat, and equally the US) in our current position cannot dictate to any Country that they should not have Nuclear Power Now if you put the boot on the other foot for a while knowing the above just how annoying must it be if the US or the UK told you that you cannot develop Nuclear Power and as you have we will impose trade sanctions on your Country... as you might develop Nuclear Weapons That kind of incongruous justice must make your head explode Now if we were dismantling and decommissioning, things would be different. ![]() |
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nanoprobe
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Just so I am not misquoted or misconstrued, nor am I naive. I was just pointing out that we hold no moral high ground in the argument against Iran having Nuclear Power When On account of our Climate Change fanaticism we (THE UK) intend to build new Nuke Stations on 8 sites across the UK in the next few years http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13887579 and we (THE UK) have Trident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Trident_programme So despite the implied intent (or otherwise) We (The UK - with France in the same boat, and equally the US) in our current position cannot dictate to any Country that they should not have Nuclear Power Now if you put the boot on the other foot for a while knowing the above just how annoying must it be if the US or the UK told you that you cannot develop Nuclear Power and as you have we will impose trade sanctions on your Country... as you might develop Nuclear Weapons That kind of incongruous justice must make your head explode Now if we were dismantling and decommissioning, things would be different. Nuclear power is one thing, nuclear weapons something else. If their intent was peaceful then why won't they open up their facilities for inspection by the UN? They could easily have bought nuclear power plant technology from any number of countries and saved themselves an enormous amount of money. The only reason for taking on the expense of what their doing is for weapons, end of story. If they get them all hell is going to break lose.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Maybe but our actions in the UK are not going to make one ha'porth of difference
----------------------------------------meanwhile..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/90...-declared-in-drought.html The drought meme continues ![]() |
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toss
Senior Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Jan 3, 2007 Post Count: 220 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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And just how would you interpret this? Last time I checked Jerusalem was in Israel. I'm content with the interpretation included in my previous post. ie that he never threatened to "wipe Israel from the map". I further note that he was only quoting what the Imam had said - and the Imam has been dead for over 20 years. So I fail to see how something a dead man said over 20 years ago constitutes a credible threat in today's reality. And just for the record you can build crude nuclear weapons from 20% enriched uranium. Iran now has centrifuges to take the enrichment process to the next level. Why would they need to do that if is isn't for weapons? A dirty bomb maybe, but 20% is not adequate for proper fission chain reaction and will certainly not be compact enough to stuff in a deliverable war head. Anyway this is off topic to the thread so I'll end it there. Cheers |
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nanoprobe
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I'm content with the interpretation included in my previous post. ie that he never threatened to "wipe Israel from the map". I further note that he was only quoting what the Imam had said - and the Imam has been dead for over 20 years. So I fail to see how something a dead man said over 20 years ago constitutes a credible threat in today's reality. Just because you refuse to see the reality of the situation doesn't change the reality of the situation. Iran Threatens Israel With Destructiion
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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GeraldRube
Master Cruncher United States Joined: Nov 20, 2004 Post Count: 2153 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Criticisms Convince State To Back Off Projections of Dramatic Sea Level Rise
----------------------------------------State officials still pushing coastal counties to prepare for a one-meter rise http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=8781 |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I see we have a new project
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi Gerald to back up your link and the alarmism
----------------------------------------http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/sl_hist_last_15.html Note the Jason Satellite is accurate to + or - 3cm So the potential error is around about the whole of the change in the 20 years of sampling showing in the graph. It appears to have paused - who knows it may even go down with a decreasingly active Sun The trend is for 10.74 inches by the end of the century (27.28cm does not a metre make) However as I pointed out it has paused ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by David Autumns at Feb 23, 2012 1:29:06 AM] |
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