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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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ibsteve2u
----------------------------------------The environmental conditions required for the development and support of all life on the planet have been doing a pretty good job for at least the last Billion years I don't expect that to change any time soon Even if the BEST graph is correct the stability of those Earth systems that have supported the development of a myriad of lifeforms is awesome given the incredibly hostile and dynamic environment our tiny Planet encounters circling 93 million miles away from our local Star Do you really think that the concentration of a trace gas essential for all life on that Planet is the key driver of our Climate sufficient to throw all of that out of kilter and destroy mankind and the rest of the planet? Or is it just Politics? Dave ![]() |
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Former Member
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I know that the number of people in the world who are getting filthy rich from the world's burning of carbonaceous forms of energy number 10,000 or less. I know that the number of people employed in the harvesting, distribution, and combustion of carbonaceous forms of energy number 20,000,000 or less (speaking very generously; coal harvesting is the most labor-intensive, and globally the coal industry directly employs 7 million people). I know that as I write this there are 7,150,000,000 people in the world.
The truth is those who insist that global warming is a fallacy are asking me - are asking the world - to gamble the lives of all 7.15 billion human beings on behalf of 20.01 million or 0.3% of the human population. And when I consider the fact that it is those 10,000 (or less) who garner the lion's share of the wealth associated with carbonaceous forms of energy that are, in fact, the prime movers behind and funders of global warming denial, I am forced to recognize that the world is being placed at risk to make 0.014% of the human population of planet Earth not wealthy, but wealthier. Guess I'm too democratic - too stuck on the notion that all men/women are created equal - to accept the idea that somebody should suffer just to make somebody else wealthier. Consequently, I cannot accept such an enormous risk as long if it is or can be made avoidable. |
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sunfolk
Master Cruncher Super Kiwi Socialistic Empire Of Jacinda Joined: Oct 8, 2006 Post Count: 1769 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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British cost of electricity is rising about six times as fast as British household incomes http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41321 Dave i believe this is a organised attempt for a world global govt. They are sucking all of money out of the middle class to make everyone dependent on some kind UN based authority Organised by who? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Guess I'm too democratic - too stuck on the notion that all men/women are created equal - to accept the idea that somebody should suffer just to make somebody else wealthier. Consequently, I cannot accept such an enormous risk as long if it is or can be made avoidable. We could go back to living in the stone age. That would pretty much eliminate all CO2 emissions. Maybe you should consider the other side of the money equation. How many people are getiing wealthy promoting the MMGW agenda. Way less than 20 million to be sure.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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Former Member
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Visited 'the White Cliffs of Denmark' yesterday. 497 steps down and especially up.
Chalk deposited in the the Cretaceous age 70 mio years ago. No ice caps at the poles. Warm, warm climate. Much more CO2 in the atmosphere than today. Beyond dispute no emission from cars. Of course, we shall not push natural development, but on the other hand we need to understand - albeit it's painful - that WE and our generation are not the center of the world. Geology, climate and evolution use other clocks than us selfcentered people of today. We should not behave like pigs, neither should we think we can change the big clock. Maybe we can delay the development we otherwise may accelerate by our behaviour, but we do not rule in the department of the big clock yet. |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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No lives are being gambled ibsteve2u
----------------------------------------Mankinds potential for progress towards a better world for all (more sustainable, more efficient, cleaner and greener) is being deliberately stymied by this horrendous scam on all our lives. You need to give that some thought too. Nice write up little mermaid. The future cliffs are been laid down this second by the fabulous algae in today's seas (This will be depicted in the press as an Algal Bloom with negative connotations instead of perfectly normal and natural) Marc Morano has a great piece in the Washington Examiner http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/...-made-climate-change-dead in it there's a great round up of the current state of play In a nutshell he writes.... The Antarctic sea ice extent has been at or near record extent in the past few summers; the Arctic has rebounded in recent years since the low point in 2007; polar bears are thriving; the sea level is not showing acceleration and is actually dropping; cholera and malaria are failing to follow global warming predictions; Mount Kilimanjaro-melt fears are being made a mockery by gains in snow cover; global temperatures have been holding steady for a decade or more as many scientists are predicting global cooling is ahead; deaths because of extreme weather are radically declining; global tropical cyclone activity is near historic lows; the frequency of major U.S. hurricanes has declined; the oceans are missing their predicted heat content; big tornadoes have dramatically declined since the 1970s; droughts are neither historically unusual nor caused by mankind; there is no evidence we are currently having unusual weather; scandals continue to rock the climate fear movement; the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been exposed as being a hotbed of environmental activists; and scientists continue to dissent at a rapid pace. In the run up to the Durban Climate shindig which kicks off on the 28th November http://www.cop17-cmp7durban.com/ we are all going to be inundated by Climate stories of doom, gloom and despondency in the mainstream media. If it gets you down go outside for a wander. Amazingly you will find it's pretty much like it was when you were a kid, for this time of year, and think on Mr Morano's words There is no crisis in the climate and certainly nothing that is under our control Dave p.s. I have just re-read the piece above and this just makes me smile Professor emeritus of biogeography Philip Stott of the University of London explained the crux of the entire global warming debate when he rebutted the notion that CO2 is the main climate driver. "As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets" that deserves a LOL Dave (again) Nite folks from a stormy UK ![]() [Edit 3 times, last edit by David Autumns at Oct 25, 2011 12:28:15 AM] |
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johncmacalister2010@gmail.com
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Nov 16, 2010 Post Count: 799 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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No lives are being gambled ibsteve2u Mankinds potential for progress towards a better world for all (more sustainable, more efficient, cleaner and greener) is being deliberately stymied by this horrendous scam on all our lives. You need to give that some thought too. Nice write up little mermaid. The future cliffs are been laid down this second by the fabulous algae in today's seas (This will be depicted in the press as an Algal Bloom with negative connotations instead of perfectly normal and natural) Marc Morano has a great piece in the Washington Examiner http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/...-made-climate-change-dead in it there's a great round up of the current state of play In a nutshell he writes.... The Antarctic sea ice extent has been at or near record extent in the past few summers; the Arctic has rebounded in recent years since the low point in 2007; polar bears are thriving; the sea level is not showing acceleration and is actually dropping; cholera and malaria are failing to follow global warming predictions; Mount Kilimanjaro-melt fears are being made a mockery by gains in snow cover; global temperatures have been holding steady for a decade or more as many scientists are predicting global cooling is ahead; deaths because of extreme weather are radically declining; global tropical cyclone activity is near historic lows; the frequency of major U.S. hurricanes has declined; the oceans are missing their predicted heat content; big tornadoes have dramatically declined since the 1970s; droughts are neither historically unusual nor caused by mankind; there is no evidence we are currently having unusual weather; scandals continue to rock the climate fear movement; the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been exposed as being a hotbed of environmental activists; and scientists continue to dissent at a rapid pace. In the run up to the Durban Climate shindig which kicks off on the 28th November http://www.cop17-cmp7durban.com/ we are all going to be inundated by Climate stories of doom, gloom and despondency in the mainstream media. If it gets you down go outside for a wander. Amazingly you will find it's pretty much like it was when you were a kid, for this time of year, and think on Mr Morano's words There is no crisis in the climate and certainly nothing that is under our control Dave p.s. I have just re-read the piece above and this just makes me smile Professor emeritus of biogeography Philip Stott of the University of London explained the crux of the entire global warming debate when he rebutted the notion that CO2 is the main climate driver. "As I have said, over and over again, the fundamental point has always been this: Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically-selected factor (CO2), is as misguided as it gets" that deserves a LOL Dave (again) Nite folks from a stormy UK Thanks, little mermaid and David Autumns for these sane posts. John ![]() crunching, crunching, crunching. AMD Ryzen 5 2600 6-core Processor with Windows 11 64 Pro. AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor with Windows 11 64 Pro (part time) ![]() |
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GeraldRube
Master Cruncher United States Joined: Nov 20, 2004 Post Count: 2153 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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BEST Is Worst: The Irrelevance of Richard Muller’s Vaunted Proclamation
----------------------------------------By E. Calvin Beisner, Ph.D. October 25, 2011 The announcement last week of the results of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) Project by project chairman Richard Muller has caused quite a stir. True believers in catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) have greeted it as the final nail in the coffin of dissent. Why? Because it concludes—take a deep breath, now—that “Global warming is real.” The only thing more stunning and frightening than the idiocy of equating “global warming” with “CAGW” is the failure of so much not only of the public, and not only of the media, but especially of the scientific community—well, okay, the already committed, true-believer “scientific community”—to recognize (admit? expose?) the rhethttp://www.cornwallalliance.org/blog/item/bes...unted-proclamation/orical sleight of hand.----------- |
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GeraldRube
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Sustainable Living Roadshow
----------------------------------------The Battles on the UN Agenda 21 Front As the battles against the green sustainability monster pushed by ICLEI and Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) rage across the nation, ten communities have officially rejected membership in the International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI). Rep. Matt Shay reported the creation of an anti-UN Agenda 21 Caucus in the Washington State Legislature. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41704 |
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David Autumns
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My favourite weather forecast
----------------------------------------![]() They'll draw yellow circles around anything these days The ultimate in Alarmism Panic there's zero chance of Tropical Cyclone formation !!!! Run for your lives from http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/index.shtml Enjoy ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by David Autumns at Oct 27, 2011 9:05:35 PM] |
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