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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Terrifyingly Normal



Scarily So

temperature above 80 degrees North through 2011 (green line average from 1958-2002)


Alarmingly Average




Remember these 3 graphs when the next UN Climate Change Conference opens in Durban on the 28th http://www.cop17-cmp7durban.com/

Rub your chin thinking and think why doesn't that rhetoric fit with reality?

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That's another coal fired Power Station that's not being built in the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15663764

Dr Richard Dixon, director of WWF Scotland said: "It's great news that the voices of the 21,000 people who objected to this climate-wrecking proposal have been heard by councillors.



See thread title and first post

What will these fools say when they are freezing in the winter??
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MERCURY-DIRECTED CME: A significant coronal mass ejection (CME) blasted away from the sun's eastern hemisphere on Nov. 12th. Analysts at the Goddard Space Weather Lab say the cloud will hit Mercury on Nov. 13th at 1800 UT (+/- 7 hr) followed by Venus about one day later. The innermost planets are about to experience space weather. [CME: movie, forecast track]--- http://spaceweather.com/
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What will these fools say when they are freezing in the winter??


Gerald just a couple more years

There's a whole bunch of perfectly viable power stations that have to be switched off due to Large Combustion Plant Directive (From the EU)

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/sectors/32613.aspx
http://www.apis.ac.uk/overview/regulations/overview_LCPD.htm
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/o...30920011127en00010021.pdf

It won't be long now until we are lumbered with completely Safe completely Clean and completely Green Nuclear ( d oh )

or....

Well at the moment it's nothing even the bucket loads of easily accessible gas is being reined in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysect...uld-create-5600-jobs.html

People will freeze, hospitals will stop functioning, industry will grind to a halt

It will be the 3 day week again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Day_Week

Welcome to 1974 hugs It's just around the corner
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From what I can glean it looks like the UK has 82GW of electric generating capacity

12GW is going off due to the LCPD by 2015 (daft idea) and a further 3.5GW of Nuclear over the same period (good idea)

That will leave us with 66.5GW

If you search the forum you will find that 67GW was the peak figure I saw in December last year for the UK

So absolutely no redundancy built into the system. If any of the stations have to be taken out of service for any reason.... we're snookered


For a real "It's worse than we thought" moment of truth take a look at the remaining allowable operating hours in this link

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/static/d..._SO2_NOx_return_sep11.xls

The average remaining run time for 9 of the stations is just over a year each.......
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/cons...-by-House-of-Commons.html

<sarcasm>

Thank goodness for democracy. I'm so glad that now we will only have to pay the equivalent of $8.08/US Gallon and that the taxes on our fuel are not going to go up again this year

Power to the people peace

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Sometimes I make myself laugh

Somebody has to biggrin
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And then there are times when others unwittingly give me a great big belly laugh of a start to the day

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...-ice-to-melt-by-2015.html

1.37 times the size of India at minima in 2011

Off course it will dear

Where do they get these "Science Correspondent's" d oh
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And then there are times when others unwittingly give me a great big belly laugh of a start to the day
Dave----We do need some humor-- New data is available, and Envisat continues to show sea level declining at a rate of more than 5mm/year since the beginning of 2010. This is due to the record melting in Greenland over the last two years that we keep hearing about – which is filling up the oceans with anti-water.------------------------ http://www.real-science.com/sea-level-continues-plummet
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Submitted by Doug L. Hoffman on Tue, 11/01/2011 - 13:26
Starting on January 1, 2012, airlines flying to and from airports in the European Union (EU) will be forced into an emissions trading system that attempts to regulate CO2. The announced intention of this draconian cap-and-trade system is to save the world from the imagined ravages of anthropogenic global warming (AGW), but given the dire financial straits much of Europe finds itself in there is little doubt that Eurocrats will view this new policy as a potential source of revenue. Unfortunately, the new regulation threatens the entire structure of international air travel by unilaterally violating agreements that have been negotiated over decades. In seeking to avoid the imaginary dangers of global warming, the EU threatens the global air transport system with a very real CO2 Armageddon.

The 27 nation EU first imposed a cap-and-trade system in 2005, and last year the European Commission and European Parliament voted to explicitly include airlines in the system beginning in 2012. In essence, the new regulation imposes a carbon tax on jet fuel and taxing fuel used on international flights would violate International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) rules. While airlines have been actively pushing airframe and engine manufacturers to improve fuel efficiency of commercial airplanes—fuel cost is a major expense for air transport—those changes will take years to impact the world's air fleets. This is because airplanes, being very expensive, are often kept in service for decades in order to recoup their purchase cost.

Under the EU plan, carriers will receive credit for 85% of the CO2 they currently generate, with the credit declining over time. For emissions over the limit, the airlines will have to buy carbon credits from a CO2 trading market—part of the existing EU cap-and-trade system. If the tax only applied to emissions within the boarders of the EU it would not be so onerous, but the European bureaucrats in Belgium overreach themselves.

The EU will apply its emissions regulation to the entire leg of all flights entering or leaving any member state. In other words, if you are on a non-stop flight from Tokyo to Paris, the emissions for the entire flight are counted toward the airline's emissions quota. An editorial in the October 17 issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology put this scam in focus.

Here is what makes the EU policy so menacing to aviation's international order: It will apply to the entire stage length of flights. In other words, the ETS will apply not just to the CO2 produced in European airspace but for the entire flight. An airline flying from from New York to Dublin would have to pay more than one flying from Athens to Dublin, even though the latter would emit many times more pollution over the EU.

This draconian measure has been energetically opposed by the world's airlines, but to no avail. On October 6th, EU Judge Juliane Kokott, ruled that “the inclusion of international aviation in the EU emissions trading scheme is compatible with the provisions and principles of international law invoked.” Using specious logic, it is her view that “the principles of customary international law and international agreements relied on do not give rise to any legal objections, not even in so far as the EU emissions trading scheme extends to sections of flights that take place outside the air space of Member States of the European Union.”

The excuse at the heart of the EU argument is that CO2 is a world wide problem and that emissions anywhere affect conditions in Europe. This is akin to the EU taxing tropical nations, where most deforestation is taking place, for affecting climate in Europe. There is no existing global agreement on how greenhouse gases should be regulated, and no international agreement that authorizes the EU's greedy tax grab. There is, however, an international agreement that regulates air commerce, the Chicago Accords.

More formally known as the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation, it has been the foundation for air travel agreements among nations since 1944. In its first section, on sovereignty, it is clearly stated, “The contracting States recognize that every State has complete and exclusive sovereignty over the airspace above its territory.” Clearly the EU statue violates this fundamental assertion by regulating flight over other nations.

The Air Transport Association (ATA) has stressed the international opposition to this European end run on existing international agreements. “ATA’s view that the extension of this unilateral, regional scheme to aviation violates international law is supported by more than 20 countries, (including Brazil, Russia, India, China, Japan, the United States and many others), which recently reconfirmed their opposition to the EU,” said Nancy Young, ATA VP for Environmental Affairs. Indeed, other countries are threatening to retaliate if the scheme goes into effect.
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/europes-co2-airline-armageddon
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