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Former Member
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The character of climate change part 1--- http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/15/the-character-of-climate-change-part-1/ Second comment in, nicely sums up the horse manure, the usual standard of WUWT blog: fredb says: August 15, 2011 at 8:44 am I don’t even know where to begin! Coming on the heels of Bastardi’s post which mistreats the laws of physics, this posting is like the icing on the cake. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Instead, I think I’ll give this to my undergraduate students as an assignment in identifying the physics fallacies. Have a nice weekend, GeraldRube [it's started off here with 28C per the thermometer at 07:43AM, August 20, 2011] |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/countryside/...after-hot-dry-spring.html
----------------------------------------Autumn comes early after hot dry spring Autumn colours are beginning to appear on trees several weeks early as a result of the hot dry spring, according to horticulturalists. nothing to do with the cold wet so called Summer then ![]() 6C overnight in Gloucester on Thursday evening http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;q=Gloucester,+UK ![]() ![]() |
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[it's started off here with 28C per the thermometer at 07:43AM, August 20, 2011]
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[it's started off here with 28C per the thermometer at 07:43AM, August 20, 2011] Sek you will insist on living by the Mediterranean It's the 20th August a week past the peak of Summer what do you expect? Ah, but then if you'd ''read'' what gets posted beyond the UK world, you'd know that this hot-run did not start yesterday or the day before nor last week or the month before. You'll grasp it one day. All without those much wanted sunspots you're blaming on your cold and ''no warming in the 21st century, you heard from the ''make it up'' department]. The Arctic is also cold... will be again come next autumn /winter... as of yesterday global cooling is yet to arrive there though, no 'recovery' in any form or fashion: ![]() Try something substantive... something that is actually of global interest. Why is that heatwave in the USA never ending, why these huge destructive series of tornado's and floodings? You did know that due to global warming, there's now 4% more water vapor going around these days compared to several decades ago. If there were more clouds albedo from that, it has though not helped to cool the planet miraculously. Miracles don't exist, never have. Only the inexplicable until science get's to the bottom of it. Einstein wrote E=MC2. Arrhenius computed the effect of more CO2 and Langley was the first to measure it by aiming his instruments at the moon. Food for thought, but not to all! --//-- |
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Melting the facts about Greenland's ice sheet
----------------------------------------Viking history, ice core samples, and observations of solar cycle cast doubt on human responsibility for climate change http://www.cfact.org/a/886/Melting-the-facts-about-Greenlands-ice-sheet ![]() |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/countryside/...after-hot-dry-spring.html Autumn comes early after hot dry spring Autumn colours are beginning to appear on trees several weeks early as a result of the hot dry spring, according to horticulturalists. nothing to do with the cold wet so called Summer then ![]() 6C overnight in Gloucester on Thursday evening http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;q=Gloucester,+UK ![]() You're an expert on everything... or? Did you miss the comment on what was being observed by farmers on their crops as a result of the spring drought? you're incomparable, that's for sure. --//-- P.S. That 28C was at 7:43AM in full shade [an always shaded location], after a *cloudless*, starry starry night... no clouds to blanket. Other added elements to the atmosphere work like blankets too... for 4% increase in water vapor, on a global scale, one needs X amount of more Joules. For you to compute how many and where it's coming from, David Autumns. Whilst me/we are insisting on living in the Med at 40 degrees North, can you please share with the world where the hundreds of millions, if not billions best move for residence and sustainable of crops? UK, Northern Siberia, Northern Canadian Tundra maybe? The Permafrost is giving away slowly, and then it will be real fun. Oil pipes buckling already due support giving way in those regions. BTW, is the UK self-sufficient in food production? Seems you're in grand dependence of others, mostly the poor / low wage countries: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/20/water.food1 (It's no different here though, we are amongst the greatest consumers of water in the world... it's appallingly cheap still, even as bottled mineral water... 17 cents for 2 liters, in PET with those famous caps as cause for many larger birds to perish mistaking them for food for their chicks) [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Aug 20, 2011 1:03:52 PM] |
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Melting the facts about Greenland's ice sheet Viking history, ice core samples, and observations of solar cycle cast doubt on human responsibility for climate change http://www.cfact.org/a/886/Melting-the-facts-about-Greenlands-ice-sheet Yup, your merchants of doubt at work. Here they are again... the Vikings, who lived at the same latitude on that Southern tip of Greenland as they did in Norway. I wonder how many argumentative fallacies one can pack in a single article... "London was not flooded in the Medieval Warming Period", from start to end, assertion assertion assertion without actual [relevant] factual support that does not fall over at the first push. Atmospheric CO2 predominantly responds to Long Wave [IR] radiation at 15 um. That's a fact to count with on all 510 million km square of earth's surface. Food for thought, but not to all! --//-- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Aug 20, 2011 1:06:40 PM] |
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GeraldRube,
just to take one piece of the ''assertive talk'' bit above, Man's climate impacts are puny compared to the million-degree heat of the sun. There's no evidence that human-emitted CO2 has added much to the current temperatures. Our moderate warming to date�0.8 degree C�virtually all occurred before 1940, and thus before much industrial development. Really that hot, our sun? Is that at the surface, in the core, where exactly? Not authoritative: A process called fusion heats the Sun. Fusion happens in the core of the Sun. It is very hot there. In fact, the core's average temperature is around 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The surface of the Sun is cool compared with the core, only 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit. What arrives here at top of atmosphere it is about 1361 watts / m^2 (per SORCE) and *on average* the variation is about 0.6-0.7 Watts below and above that. By the time it hits ground/sea, a quarter of that is left. As for before or after 1940... well you've posted that extended GISTEMP curve... let's try again. Very slowly but not in double or umpteen spacing, such as David prefers: How much of the warming took place before and after 1940, and since 1880? ![]() If you post, please do try to make it add up with past stuff you shared... lest the idea is that on the next "60 Minutes" we've forgotten the previous "60 Minutes". Have a nice Saturday... yours just started, ours has now risen to 31C in the shade... a mere 3C flux between the cooler phase in a day and hottest part... on my planet, just 12 degrees down from good old England. The big trees out on Strada Vecchio di Madonna look like they're ready to drop the last half of the leaves. It crackles none stop when walking the pedestrian way on that road, we're not Angelinos. Trees can grow leaves twice in a season, in case spring turns out bad. We'll see in September, but think it's over for this year, and then the waiting is for next year. Food for thought, but not for all! --//-- |
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Yup, your merchants of doubt at work. Here they are again... the Vikings, who lived at the same latitude on that Southern tip of Greenland as they did in Norway. --//-- Really? Surface currents that sink and feed deep currents carry much more heat toward Europe than currents that stay on the surface. As a result, Norway at 60 degrees is far warmer than southern Greenland and northern Labrador which are at the same latitude.
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