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David Autumns
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 ...and here's us being told it was to get forever worse   |
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Here's todays map by UNI Bremen of the Arctic state of the Ice:
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr/arctic_AMSRE_nic.png And of course that chart some don't like too much: http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr/ice_ext_n.png It shows the state of the annual sea ice extent movement AND the mean of the 1972-2008 which then includes that previous record minimum of 2007. The big advantage is that if someone has the urge to opine in October on "half way minimum and maximum", the astute reader will wonder how that is, given that the average by itself already lies multiple standard deviations above that, the past average that is before *global* cooling really got hold of our planet. You know the new math: -cooling = sea ice melt in amounts, area and volume never seen before, -cooling = snow melt in larger volumes, so fast that it causes serious floodings, -cooling = large scale glazier retreat -cooling = loads and load of heat wave records... -cooling = burned harvests, last year in Russia, this year in the US. Do ask the farmers in the USA how they're doing, in the dry and wet parts. Some will make it up as they go, the *Aint True* part that is. --//-- P.S. Here's more in-depth on Richard Lindzen... his CV says that he's too of the Meteor-logical lineage. Seems he's kind of out of his field... http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_S._Lindzen Maybe he should really be a TV weatherman [they seem to feature these days in, a smoking one to demonstrate that a pack which have deadhead stickers on them is really not a danger to one's health. Weatherman [a perfectly legit job predicting the atmospherics, a few days into the futur] now feature in The Simpsons, a show not for those that quickly turn glowy ears. Surely you've heard of Bard? P.P.S. GeraldRube will like that red header in last link: We Just Unveiled a Trove of Over 800 "Model" Bills Secretly Voted on by Corporations to Rewrite Your Rights If understood correctly, these corporations are writing legislation and pass that to lawmakers in Congress... about tobacco and items to are not good for the general wellbeing of everything alive, but weeds maybe. |
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David Autumns
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Just to put Sek's scaremongering in perspective
----------------------------------------"Snow melt in larger volumes, so fast that it causes serious floodings" This is on account of there being more not less snow at peak this year More snow leads to more melting and more flooding. If there really was a deficit of snow this would not be the case See how words are used to deceive There are always heat records being broken as there are freezing temperatures broken This is because our temperature records don't go back that far at most a reliable 150 years plus the world is a big place giving huge opportunity for lowest and highest records being broken every day Glaciers are not all retreating. The general trend with Glaciers is retreat since the last ice age otherwise I would be writing this from under 1km of ice sheet. Luckily I'm not. Droughts and Fires have always occurred - but today we have global 24/7 rolling news While the North Pole, which is entirely water, is subject to wind and wave action and warm water currents and so is consequently naturally more dynamic, the South pole continues it's annual growth and decline with no indication that the Globe is warming. GISTEMP is the output from a political activist Just putting a bit of perspective back in the debate Sek Dave [Edit 1 times, last edit by David Autumns at Aug 16, 2011 6:36:46 PM] |
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No land fall Hurricanes? Seems that Long Island is 3 years overdue to get hit by one... there's a bunch of real-estate there:
Long Island: Hurricanes & Global Warming Don't be distracted, it's what Professor Scott Mandia has to say that requires just a longer time of the attention span... no it's not sunspots either, let alone the sun: Scott Mandia | August 14, 2011 at 12:59 am | Reply Another way to show why the sun cannot be causing the warming is to view the pattern of warming in the new NOAA climate normals. The physics of increasing heat-trapping gases tells us: 1) Higher latitudes (toward the poles) will warm the most while lower latitudes (tropics) will warm less 2) Interior continental locations will warm more than coastal regions 3) Winters will warm faster than summers 4) Nights will warm faster than days Recently, NOAA (2011) issued the latest 30 year climate normals for the United States, and as expected, points #1-4 are evidenced in the NOAA graphics. If the sun were the cause we would not see the biggest T increases in the low-sun winter and no-sun overnight minimums. And why would “oceans releasing heat” prefer the winter and nights while leaving the days and summers nearly untouched? Images here: Global Warming: Heat Waves (Yes) – Rollercoasters (No) He's not an economist, nor an architect or a doctor of medicine, and certainly not a mining engineer such as Steve McIntyre, all of whom who sign petitions asserting that it Ain't True. Food for thought. --//-- P.S. Some have not much to do, some don't have to do something  |
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nanoprobe
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The US Alone had in 2011, so far: 4,250 new heat records The US Alone had in August 2011, so far: 425 new heat records The US Alone had on August 14, 2011: 6 Heat Records 1/14/2011 Weather Underground Forecasting All...rthern Hemisphere Tonight New record cold temperatures in Minnesota Winter 2011 Oklahoma sees record cold: -31 Record highs, record lows, such is the nature of the beast. I could go on but I think you'll get my point. Nice try though.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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Yes, but it's the *ratios* of warm records versus cold, dear nanoprobe, the ratios, and more worrying, coming with climate destabilization, much more extreme swings... the nature of the evolving beast and predicted too.
----------------------------------------AND, with warmer climate, winter will bring more vapor that if hitting cold displaced air, will turn snow. The winters up in the Polar regions show in fact the largest anomalies, just as predicted too. See the DMI chart up a number of posts and the Seasonal snow charts I've posted... trend in winter is up, trends in spring/summer left overs is down.... you need more heat to do that. Where's that coming from with that quasi slumbering sun [which is relative at 0.0093% less in 2011 than 2003, aka very near to meaningless). Nice counter try though ;>) --//-- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Aug 16, 2011 8:52:40 PM] |
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nanoprobe, some evening reading for you.
----------------------------------------http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=516&p=3 Snip If the recent past is any indication, we can expect to see more wildly varied weather patterns and temperature shifts. In fact, we can look at the current weather season to see this shift in place. As we huddle in our abodes to avoid the effects of winter, consider that Greenland had temperatures above zero in December. Climate Change may be a very mild description indeed of what is happening to Planet Earth Plz do read the whole article and ponder. Denying of scientific fact did not stop at Hypatia and & Galileo... Einstein saw it too.. everybody opined. http://bahumuth.bitfreedom.com/climate-denier...d-named-relativity-denier After Einstein brought about the great controversy in physics with relativity theory, he is quoted as saying: “This world is a strange madhouse. Currently, every coachman and every waiter is debating whether relativity theory is correct. Belief in this matter depends on political party affiliation.” He also said: “Anti-relativists were convinced that their opinions were being suppressed. Indeed, many believed that conspiracies were at work that thwarted the promotion of their ideas. The fact that for them relativity was obviously wrong, yet still so very successful, strengthened the contention that a plot was at play.” --//-- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Aug 16, 2011 9:06:08 PM] |
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nanoprobe
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Denying of scientific fact did not stop at Hypatia and & Galileo. Problem is MMGW is not a scientific fact. It is, so far, a scientific theory based on computer models, speculation and money. Maybe some day, but not yet. If you want to connect the cold records set yearly some place to MMGW that's your prerogative. I could connect the record heat set someplace yearly to the record cold from the year before. Makes as much sense.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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Gravity is a theory too, but empirically we know that the amount of mass is an accurate indicator of how much gravity there is. Arrhenius calculated the atmospheric CO2 effect in the 19th century and sure enough, after eliminating all knowns, we come time and again back to CO2 and other GHG's that respond to long wave radiation. Rather than me going circular, read thread from top and follow prior provided links.
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