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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Not only all strawman have burned, the wickerman too, very evidently still staring at that glossy surface, even when the ice is not even save to go skating with you,



Where in this curve is it getting better, where 11,000 cubic kilometers of floating sea ice is mssing in the Arctic?
(puh puh, it's only a model we heard... a model build on measurements, many!).

The world is Green, and being one is not easy.
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Sek snow is not the only blindingly bright white stuff reflecting the Sun's rays. Try taking a trip in a soon to be forbidden Aeroplane and take a look down. Then you will see what controls, in the largest part, the Earth's albedo. Something that is very difficult to model. Something that is left out of the IPCC's "we're all doomed" report because we don't have sufficient accurate data about the fluffy white things. Something that forms a closed feedback loop that stabilises our beautiful planets temperature

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"A Mind of My Own", the Christian Monitor has one too:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Bright-G...-in-a-teapot/%28page%29/2

The conspiracy is everywhere, from within. almost like a Dan Brown book: Angels and Demons.
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Dear Sek

Reality

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGE...ly.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

Where is the downward trend in that?

1980 exactly the same amount of Global Sea Ice Area as today

For those of us who were teenagers at the time yep 1980 really was 30 years ago !!!

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Sek if you are going with quotes what about these for size

“The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it’s a travesty that we can’t.”

Kevin Trenberth email to Michael Mann October 2009

or how about

"There has been no statistically significant warming since 1995"

Phil Jones February 2010 in an interview with the BBC


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re Post on: Jul 25, 2010 8:17:58 PM, still "eyeballing" with your Joh Janta 2000 special protective goggles evidently... Your case wears thin as the sea ice, so THIN they had to take a helicopter to get to the Northpole last spring to finish their track, The "Normal" only lasted a few days and now it's back to 530,000 km short, GLOBAL!

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/iphone/iphone.currentarea.global.html

Please when looking at Atmoz, respect the person who puts that together and take the Total body of evidence in consideration, the sum, and not the cherry pick favorite flavor of the day glossy stared at through reversed binoculars.

The Ice IS rotten, no Aint Trueing will change that, the glaciers are loosing mass balance, the snow is disappearing, the oceans are acidifying ... that adds up to... yes, evidence of Global Warming, Man made.

How thin do you need the sea ice to be on average before it registers?
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Yep, we also can't account YET for 2 billion tonnes of fossil fuel sourced CO2 that is going somewhere and we're darned lucky the planet is still doing that annually.

Thing is, what Phil Jones said, also was "there is no cooling"! Can you understand that DA, that sun been in extended minimum and yet 2010 first half os amongst the top warmest years? July still is HOT if looking at AMSU-A sat of Dr. Roy Spencer (despite that one WUWT's Steve Goddard is incapable of understanding that summer anomalies are always less than those in Autumn/Winter)

But, where the heat is going is reasonably expected to be the Oceans and every El Nina more of that will go under... not escaping the planet... the several watts large input/output imbalance the scientists have been observing. REAL scientists as they are, not the self appointed of WUWT frequentists who seem to suffer from bad D-K cases. The REAL scientists wont commit until the hard support is there and then you'll still bring "we need more data"... puh puh, told you so that they'd eventually find it.

GW will find you too in Odiham UK, sooner or later.
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"There has been no statistically significant warming since 1995"

Phil Jones February 2010 in an interview with the BBC


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
E - How confident are you that warming has taken place and that humans are mainly responsible?

I'm 100% confident that the climate has warmed. As to the second question, I would go along with IPCC Chapter 9 - there's evidence that most of the warming since the 1950s is due to human activity.

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Sea levels rising twice as fast as predicted:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/clim...as-predicted-1642087.html

Arctic Ice ‘Melting Fast,’ May Reach All-Time Low, Russia Says:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-20/a...time-low-russia-says.html
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Yes esoteric17, those Trendberth/Jones quotes have been bandied around the Ain't Truthosphere for a while... the famous quote mined cherry picks, with grand omission of the rest to make it obvious... like now the 2007 sea ice mininum to suggest improvement and 1998 record temp arguments suggesting the globe has cooled since, falling over as the loaded wheelbarrow held by only 1 hand.

Anyway, this is a great one for a so far excellent Monday... first night in 3 weeks not having had to sleep on top of the sheets:
Someone once said it's not good to be so open-minded your brain falls out.

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