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Global warming pushes 2010 temperatures to record highs

Scientists from two leading climate research centres publish 'best evidence yet' of rising long-term global temperatures
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/ju...-temperatures-2010-record
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Global warming: NASA says it's the hottest year on record:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/27/98203/e...ldwide.html#ixzz0uzpdnrv1
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I remember seeing the red tide off of Long Beach Cal. in 1965
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Man Made Climate Change

Have you tried pushing back the wind?

I'm temporarily in Dubai home of the Bhurj Khalifa

http://www.burjkhalifa.ae/

We might stand in awe of Man's great achievements like the capability to build a 2625 foot tall building

But..

It pales into insignificance in comparison to what I have seen unfold below me on the flight back in. In just the colours magnificent. I realised looking out on the mountains, the sea, the deserts, the fault lines, the sediments distributed across the land by the rivers, streams and deltas, the vegetation, that to claim we understand the World we live in in all it's interwoven complexities is utter nonsense

and then go on to continue that claim that we through our tiny additional emissions of CO2 we have changed that World in any measurable and directly attributable way

is

Utterly nonsense


I think that flight might have changed my life. I will never forget the azure blue. So blue I could not make out what I was seeing. The Sea or the Land?

It's big World

We tend and cultivate only a very small part of it. While we are in amongst that it looks huge to us. 2625 foot tall buildings are huge to us disappearing up into the dust filled atmosphere above Dubai

But that's only as far as we can reach

It's a much much bigger World. We are just a scratch on it's surface and it's time and that needs acknowledging.

We are not the marauding monster environmentalists would like to make out.

We are the people of Planet Earth and in the most part Good. Give us low impact sustainable options and we'll take them. Try to fearmonger us into submission and we'll bite back

Have you noticed the difference between today's North Polar Sea Ice extent and last years?

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

No neither had I wink

Glad to be out of the dust again

Dave
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When we were in desert area we wore sand goggles... suggest you take them off, and that other pair too so you can see the real stuff.. on both counts second lowest in history, but that's been just the moment of the day... and quite a few before that too:

Captains Log: The Ice is Rotten.


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Captains Log: The Ice is Rotten.-----I wont use it in my drink wink
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Cherry Picking those graphs again Sek biggrin

At least I stick with mine so it's apple with apples whichever way they fall. Downwards you say... is all a matter of perspective wink


Sorry if the last time I came through here I posted this but

I have the constant strains of Frank Sinatra running through my brain...

Strangers in the night exchanging glances
Dubai Dubai do

laughing

It's driving me nuts biggrin


Ha now your stuck with it too whistling Hey why should I suffer alone

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If, DA, cherry picking is to ignore the falsehood of extent you've yet to grasp and considering that the real ice, Area, has gone down quicker, then by all means... by 'your standards' it's a cherry pick. Strange, Walt Meier thinks the PIOMAS model based on lots more data) does a better job than his PIPS (so favored over at some 'ain't truist places.)... so what's new you've got to share?



http://psc.apl.washington.edu/ArcticSeaiceVol...eVolumeAnomalyCurrent.png

Sleep tight and have a good flight... and if you see clouds above mid-air, it's because those are clouds that seek it higher up due greater heat below. Today we've had a 100% perfect cloudless day and a show by the Tricolore flight team, when artificial clouds were seeded, in our favorite colors of course.

edit: small image before DA gets a forum rules violation fit. The big one is the hyperlink... for the detail... nearly 11,000 cubic km sea ice missing by best calculations.
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Man Made Climate Change

Have you tried pushing back the wind?

I'm temporarily in Dubai home of the Bhurj Khalifa

http://www.burjkhalifa.ae/

We might stand in awe of Man's great achievements like the capability to build a 2625 foot tall building

But..

It pales into insignificance in comparison to what I have seen unfold below me on the flight back in. In just the colours magnificent. I realised looking out on the mountains, the sea, the deserts, the fault lines, the sediments distributed across the land by the rivers, streams and deltas, the vegetation, that to claim we understand the World we live in in all it's interwoven complexities is utter nonsense

and then go on to continue that claim that we through our tiny additional emissions of CO2 we have changed that World in any measurable and directly attributable way

is

Utterly nonsense


I think that flight might have changed my life. I will never forget the azure blue. So blue I could not make out what I was seeing. The Sea or the Land?

It's big World

We tend and cultivate only a very small part of it. While we are in amongst that it looks huge to us. 2625 foot tall buildings are huge to us disappearing up into the dust filled atmosphere above Dubai

But that's only as far as we can reach

It's a much much bigger World. We are just a scratch on it's surface and it's time and that needs acknowledging.

We are not the marauding monster environmentalists would like to make out.

We are the people of Planet Earth and in the most part Good. Give us low impact sustainable options and we'll take them. Try to fearmonger us into submission and we'll bite back

Have you noticed the difference between today's North Polar Sea Ice extent and last years?

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

No neither had I wink

Glad to be out of the dust again

Dave

So your argument is "it's so big, we can't possibly make a difference". BP CEO Tony Hayward said the same thing about the oil spill in the gulf and the size of the ocean, yet it will have disastrous consequences for decades on the ecosystem. Yes, we can and do make a terrible difference.
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Seems the 1.4 million gallons BP used of dispersants [seemingly without much restraint] actually caused the real toxic substances to be released from the crude oil rather than kept bound and thus collectible when floating on the surface. Don't think I'll be eating craw-fish or shrimp again in the next ... well not in my lifetime... we're at the end of the foodchain, so it will heap up in our fatty tissue and then in 20 years we'll be having another Erin Brokovich movie... another responsible enterprise.

Meantime, there's a serious conference on how to develop the Arctic carbohydrate deposits now that they're becoming more and more accessible. Meantime visit Schlumberger website... the biggest oil service company... they've got a great education website on CO2... a great animation they have in form of an overflowing bathtub... (the oceans)... that start to more and more out-gas too... surface layers saturation... it's too big for us to stop that too... the bus has left after all... a good excuse not to do anything, except that what saves the wallet today, for only money talks. Tomorrow is another day, our children receive as legacy. We taught them well.
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