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Sekerob
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Hey DA, the climate is fine.
---------------------------------------- Edward Greisch says: 23 July 2010 at 2:49 AM Extreme rain event: In Iowa, the corn and soybeans are high, but many fields are now flooded and the crop is ruined. We have had a whole year’s worth of rain already this year. This is the third super-wet year in a row. Saw it on local TV. This is his real name... please get on the phone and give him a call to tell him your views on the fine-ness. The people on TV might be in the conspiracy too, so better go verify. thanks and happy trails, till September 13... a Monday, which BTW is not an unlucky number in Italy... that is the 17th, the following Friday. PS, think Iowa is about the size of England... was their not also not so long ago a big flooding in Cumbria? Think Poland and adjacent regions saw that too this spring. France recently had treatment... I just wonder where all that vapor is coming from... when a water molecule has only a ~10 day life expectancy in the atmosphere.
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Former Member
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13,000 Year Study Reveals Severe Weather Associated With Natural Solar & Ocean Oscillations, Not CO2 http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/07/13000-year...oscillations-not-co2.html
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The Settled Climate Science is Unsettled – Again--- http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25654 Again the Canadian press is more informed than the American Liberal Press
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Sekerob
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hmmm, Whilst such oscillations may exist and may likely continue, it in NO WAY says anything about what the GHE's and other changes to land surface are going to do to those oscillations... shift forward, get stronger? Oh wait, wait, wait, let's wait until it's too late. Here's the original excerpt, before the redacting by the Ain't True:
----------------------------------------http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v419/n6909/abs/nature01132.html?lang=en For the purpose of detecting the effects of human activities on climate change, it is important to document natural change in past climate1. In this context, it has proved particularly difficult to study the variability in the occurrence of extreme climate events, such as storms with exceptional rainfall1. Previous investigations have established storm chronologies using sediment cores from single lakes2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, but such studies can be susceptible to local environmental bias. Here we date terrigenous inwash layers in cores from 13 lakes, which show that the frequency of storm-related floods in the northeastern United States has varied in regular cycles during the past 13,000 years (13 kyr), with a characteristic period of about 3 kyr. Our data show four peaks in storminess during the past 14 kyr, approximately 2.6, 5.8, 9.1 and 11.9 kyr ago. This pattern is consistent with long-term changes in the average sign of the Arctic Oscillation9, suggesting that modulation of this dominant atmospheric mode may account for a significant fraction of Holocene climate variability in North America and Europe. And here's the whole paper which took 15 seconds to find: http://depts.washington.edu/isolab/images/noren_nature.pdf If you can find a single reference to CO2 or Carbon Dioxide, let us know... a liberty taken by the bloggers of C3 and CO2 Science And then when reading, low and behold, Aerosols get a mention... now who's been dumping those around the planet absent any much Volcanic output? Forest burning, Coal Burning, black sooth depositing on snow and ice and glaciers. Yawn. PS, the AO had a modern times record index value of -3.41 last winter. It tends to flip back and forth and more often then every 2600-3200 years. Oh, and this is not GLOBAL, this is specific to NE USA and Western Europe! The world is a tad bigger than that.
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GoodMorning Secerob--I am just saying--we have to consider all options
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retsof
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I just wonder where all that vapor is coming from... when a water molecule has only a ~10 day life expectancy in the atmosphere. It doesn't just disappear. It falls as rain to continue the cycle.
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David Autumns
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When it suits it's Climate when it doesn't it's weather
----------------------------------------I don't know if you all know but we always have had extreme weather events all over the Globe every single day of the week Now because it suits it's on account of Man Made Global Warming Roll on the middle of September apologies astrolab I'm not as psychic as Paul the Octopus and I am unable to read your mind Given the nature of this thread and your extreme views about anything I have to say I figured you must be a supporter of the CO2 will cause inevitable climate catastrophe hypothesis Please forgive me if I was wrong. Please could you explain again why you think your Glacier has retreated 1 mile in 100 years if not through the alleged Man Made Global Warming caused as we all know, due to a complete and utter consensus amongst all scientists so I must clearly be wrong, by Man's additional CO2 emissions Cheers Dave "I use my own brain" Autumns   |
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David Autumns
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At the North Pole yesterday there was an extra 513,906 km2 of Sea Ice coverage that wasn't there on the 24th July 2007
----------------------------------------to put a bit of perspective on that.....the extra bit is bigger than Spain an extra 7.5% over and above what was there in 2007 not exactly warming more quickly than any other part of the globe now is it - see here (the green line being the average temperature measured over the period 1958 to 2002 - the red line is this years reality) Please don't get me started on how much extra Sea Ice there is at the South Pole this year !! That's extra as in more not less  Chile is experiencing it's worst winter since 1995 (that sounds strangely familiar ) So at the moment it's chilly in Chile Roll on mid September Dave "perfectly capable of thinking my own thoughts" Autumns |
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Sekerob
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"perfectly capable of thinking my own thoughts"
----------------------------------------There's that other English expression "Hold that thought". Let's resurrect that quote from Daniel Patrick Moynihan, more frequently paraphrased here (then lost): "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. " Why the 2007 cherry pick? Why not 2006 or 2008 or 2009 or any other year prior to 2007?   Why is the difference between the Extent (water with more than 15% sea ice) and Area (real ice) getting further apart? Long as better than 2007 it's going to be a recovery in your mind, the climate is fine. Plz, just don't tell others! The Amundsen captain wrote in when his ship hit a 14 meter thick slab of ice, which then disintegrated entirely: The Ice is Rotten... yes, everyone on site is saying the same thing... it's rotten. 9 more days and we'll know what the July averages will have been. The less ice, the more energy is absorbed by open water... something about Earth's Albedo. And there's also the case of the unresolved mass melting of snow not adding to earth's reflective capacity... seems to be large scale missing in the Himalayas (and Baffin + Ellesmere isles being affected too, as is the west Canadian cost line). Per Rutgers latest, the brown is where minimum snow is left, the red is where it's substantially missing:   The higher up one get's the colder it becomes... about 6C per KM, so should it not be freezing high up on those mountains? Sleep tight, don't let the global warming bed bugs bite, or more famously: Good Night, And Good Luck.
WCG
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David Autumns
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why the 2007 cherry pick
----------------------------------------well 2007 was the last time that there was less sea ice at minima than the year before so ever since it has been coming back. As well you know Rome wasn't built in a day. today it is exactly at the same spot as it was a year ago so... It's not disappearing is it... as promised by the Great Wizard of Gore (scientist told him only that morning it could be all gone in as soon as 7 years I think it was in his 2007 Nobel Peace not Science Prize Speech along with the IPCC) Don't get me started on the South Pole as your Global Warming claims are even more alarmist when we take a peak at the other end of the Planet Hurricanes..... a la Katrina - the poster child of Al's Propaganda Movie "The Convenient Tax Gathering Ruse" http://www.co2science.org/articles/V13/N29/EDIT.php Chill  Dave |
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