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Former Member
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Knowing that in the past 20 years we human kind have greatly increased are knowledge of virus and the such. And with every increasing computer power and what not. Do you think in a another 20 years we will have a cure and not just a vaccine?
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Hello werwin,
When I read 'The Malaria Capers' by Robert S. Desowitz, a public-health epidemiologist, back in the 90s, I was amazed to discover that the many failures to produce a malaria vaccine had made many public-health bureaucrats hostile to any researcher trying to develop a malaria vaccine. But live and learn. It seems to be a part of basic human nature that some people will turn against hope after some disappointments. (Not Robert S. Desowitz, however. It is just another obstacle to face and overcome.) Reading 'Shots in the Dark: The Wayward Search for an AIDS Vaccine', 2001, by Jon Cohen, I came across this same phenomenon. I hope that we will develop a cure for HIV this generation. I only hope - - I do not predict it. But there will be a number of people who will gloomily predict that we are helpless and cannot do it. Don't give up hope! Lawrence |
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I think a cure or better treatments are possible. With the present and growing knowledge of AIDS at the molecular level, combined with the increasing sophication of computer modeling and the increasing power of computers a breakthrough is very possible.
Sometimes a cure is found by approaching the problem in a completely new way, such as they way researchers found a new way to attack cancer by using specifically designed drugs to choke off a cancer's blood supply. Perhaps this is how AIDS will be cured. Testing novel points of attachment on the AIDS virus using computer modeling. Regardless, look back 100 years ago at the state of medical technology and compare that to today. Quite a big difference. 100 years from now medicine will be very different from what is currently practiced today. Exactly how it will look in the distant future is unknow because it will be greatly shaped by future inventions and discoveries. 100 years ago many illnesses were not treatable where today they can either be treated or cured. Overall, I think great progress can be made in AIDS research. It is just a question of time, money and effort. |
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Here is my understanding.
I doubt a totally effective cure will ever been found. A virus becomes very integrated into the human body and DNA. They express a 'glycoprotein' coating that effectively hides the virus from proper detection. The AIDS virus acquires this coating when it bursts through the cell wall taking part of the cell wall as it's outer protective coating. Viruses can effectively smell like the rest of the body. They, also express chemicals designed to shutdown certain immune system responses via the CYTOKINES. A strong cytokine response is necessary to effectively attack foreign pathogens, especially viruses like HIV. Some therapies have tried to exploit the cytokines response in total failure. The clinical trial of TGN1412 illicited a 'cytokine storm' which I believe resulted in some gruesome deaths in cancer patients. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine Maybe, one day they will find that viruses resonant or depend on a certain frequency. Using a type of sound technology we could effectively destroy them using that resonant frequency. That sounds like science fiction, but it's a relatively recent discovery. I don't have the exact article, but it was on www.sciencedaily.com In short viruses use a dozen bag of tricks to survive and avoid an effective immune system response. The best bet for now is to just help crunch for better drugs. |
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mgl_ALPerryman
FightAIDS@Home, GO Fight Against Malaria and OpenZika Scientist USA Joined: Aug 25, 2007 Post Count: 283 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi Lawrence,
You're right. We should keep hope alive. I'm not going to guess about the timing involved, but different scientists are trying new approaches to vaccines and to antiviral microbicides for the prevention of HIV. When I was at a recent symposium of the different NIH Centers for AIDS Research (CFAR) at UCSD, I learned of some new approaches to creating and developing these vaccines, which should theoretically have more potential than the vaccine that recently failed. We'll have to wait and see how well they perform in their new experiments. As you all know, it's extremely difficult to prevent a virus that has so many different versions and that keeps mutating into new versions that are resistant against anything it has encountered. But many of the past failures teach us something and/or inspire new directions for the research. Don't give up. We won't. Best wishes, Dr. Alex Perryman PS-----perhaps there should be a red ribbon in the "Post Icons" list? The red rose will have to do for now. ;) |
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mgl_ALPerryman
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Hi Larry,
I agree wholeheartedly. The science that helps us understand diseases and develop new cures and preventions has come a very, very long way in the past 100 years. I can't wait to find out what new discoveries will occur in the next few decades! Best wishes, Dr. Alex Perryman |
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mgl_ALPerryman
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Hi rbolo,
I haven't heard anything about a sound-based treatment for HIV infections or for other viruses. But if you can find the citation for the primary article, please post it here. You're right about the many different, extremely difficult tricks that HIV uses to escape our immune systems and the different anti-AIDS drugs. But since we keep learning more and more about these tricks, researchers keep coming up with newer and better approaches. For example, the FDA recently approved a new drug from Merck that inhibits the ability of HIV to integrate into human cells. Unfortunately, mutants that can at least partially resist the new integrase inhibitor already exist. Learning how these mutants escape the new drug (i.e., figuring out their mechanisms of drug resistance) should eventually help scientists design a better second generation of integrase inhibitors. But at least the first generation still provides medical benefits right now. There are also several promising lines of research that are trying to use discoveries about the regions where the sugars are attached and slight differences between the sugar coatings on HIV particles and on human cells to come up with new ways to treat or prevent HIV. As far as I know, these areas of research are still too preliminary to know how well they will ultimately work. But the initial results are very encouraging. I have hope. Best wishes, Dr. Alex Perryman |
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Thanks Dr. Perryman. From what I have seen in the history of medical developments, it takes decades of painstaking research to gain a working understanding of biological processes. With AIDS much work at the atomic level is needed to unravel and defeat all of its "bags of tricks." I think with the recent increases in desktop computing power (2 and 4 core processors and higher core processors soon to be available) and the increased accuracy of computer models were are poised on the edge of making important breakthroughs in fighting deseases. 10 years might be too soon for a major breakthrough but in 20 or 30 years major deveopments could happen based on what is being done today.
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I feel embarassed that I can't find the original article on, sound technology to destroy viruses. I did searches on science daily and google with little to no results. I did find the follow article, although it might not be the exact same thing and isn't sound. I'll post the original if I am able to find it again. I read it within the last 3 to 4 months on Science Daily or http://www.physorg.com/ .
http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/dnaantivirus.html Years ago I read an article about, rNA Interference or RNAi. It hoped to exploit a mechanism known as, 'dicer' which normally can chop up the foriegn RNA of a foriegn virus. They were trying to work on a way to re-activate that mechanism I think. The AIDS virus deactivates dicer(tat-1?) and prevents it from doing it's job..I think. A google search easily pulls up more information on RNAi. Maybe, there is hope that one day we will understand the true nature of the universe and life. In my opinion, 'The worse kind of enemy is a thinking enemy, which can quickly adapt.' So, eventually viruses may be cracked open and used for our own means. I just hope to see that in my lifetime! |
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mgl_ALPerryman
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Hi rbolo,
RNAi has worked well in the test tube, but it is extremely difficult to deliver the RNA into an actual cell. The RNA or RNA analogs used for RNAi are extremely highly-charged. Compounds generally have to be fairly hydrophobic (that is, greasy) to be able to get inside a cell. But compounds generally have to be water soluble, as well. The combination of these two competing characteristics means that drugs need to have a very careful balance between their level of greasiness, their size, and the number and 3-D location of positively and negatively-charged atoms. Many scientists in both academia and industry are working on the issues of drug delivery in general and on delivering RNAi, specifically. Well, scientists have cracked open and exploited some viruses and bacteria for useful purposes, but there's still a lot of work to be done and a lot of discoveries that still need to be made. For a few examples off the top of my head, genetically-engineered bacteria are used to produce copies of most of the different proteins that are studied in labs. They have also been cracked and tricked into producing the insulin that is used to treat people with diabetes. Studies of the Rous Sarcoma Virus by Peyton Rous at Rockefeller University in 1916 laid the foundation for our current understanding of oncogenesis (the generation of cancerous cells from healthy cells). 50 years later, he earned the Nobel prize for that research. (Science can be slow, and recognition of the importance of some discoveries often takes decades). In gene therapy research, different viruses are being de-armed and hollowed out, so that they can be used as the potential vehicles for delivering genes that are either mutated or turned off. And a month or two ago, I read a Press Release on yahoo news about some scientists in academia (I think it was Penn State) who re-engineered a bacteria and a special catalyst to produce hydrogen. They called it a "microbial fuel cell." I was extremely impressed! Discoveries about bacteria and viruses have already had tremendous impacts on industry and on human health. And we still have a lot to learn. Best wishes, Dr. Alex Perryman |
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