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Robert Tusler
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This ignoramus would like both to congratulate Dr Perryman on his astonishing and unusual skills in communicating technical matters with the general reader, and to thank him for taking the time to do so.
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Former Member
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Hi Rbolo and Dr Perryman,
Rbolo, I remembered reading something on Wired's science pages a while ago and found it for you. I don't know if it is anything like what you were meaning before but the link is here http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/11/laser_virus Cheers for the excellent explanations Dr Perryman. Slap |
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Former Member
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quick link also just googled something from the text and got this from the American Institute of Physics. It's a bit more recent.
http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/852-2.html Slap |
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Former Member
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Hello, Slapshot
Thanks, I had read the article on the pulsating laser before. What I'm talking about, did involve some special type of sound frequency and something to do with a resonant frequency. The name and description of the article, was a bit more technically, however. It didn't say if they used a pulsating modulation or even what frequency they used. I'm a bit skeptical on how sound could achieve the very high 'selective' frequency needed for resonsance of such a small particle. I'm sure someone really good in mathematics could calculate the resonant frequency? Also, one of the articles I found and posted involved using electromagnetic radiation as a resonant source. Even if sound could destroy virus particles, I have doubts on how that could be applied to the entire body effectively. If there is just one virus particle left then your quickly left back at square one anyway. Obviously, the best approach to a problem like HIV is 'combination therapy' usually in the form of multiple drugs working at different levels to interfere with the virus 'life cycle.' I believe Dr. Perryman stated, the problem with drugs used for RNAi is they cannot effectively penetrate the cell walls at this time. I think RNA interference holds a lot of promise if they can ever achieve that effectively. |
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Former Member
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I read this article yesterday and posted it under, 'Interesting articles on HIV.'
It talks about, using RNAi against HIV: Proteins found that AIDS virus preys on 'The proteins it exploits have been dubbed HIV dependency factors, and 36 had been discovered. The new research, published online Thursday by the journal Science, found 273 of these potential HIV targets. Led by geneticist Stephen Elledge of Brigham and Women's Hospital, the team used a technique called RNA interference that can disrupt a gene's ability to do its job and make a protein. One by one, they disrupted thousands of human genes in test tubes, dropped in some HIV, and watched what happened. If HIV couldn't grow well, it signaled the protein that the gene that had failed to produce must be the reason. It will take far more research to figure out the role each of these proteins plays in HIV's life cycle.' http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_he_me/hiv_proteins |
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I wonder if it is possible to use of the same chemical docking strategies to enter cells like viruses(nature) use in order to delivers drugs?
Or hollow out a virus to deliver the drugs? I have some doubts, but was just a thought! |
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Former Member
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It appears the concept is nothing new in using sound and radiation on viruses. They did some fairly effective test on the Tabacoo Mosaic Virus. This doesn't sound useful for humans.
"The sound radiation originated in the vibration of a one-inch-square quartz crystal immersed in a water cooled, circulating oil bath and excited by means of a 75 watt vacuum tube oscillator in connection with a step-up voltage arrangement. The natural frequency of the crystal was 450,000 cycles per second." The Virucidal Action of High Frequency Sound Radiation William N. Takahashi, Ralph J. Christensen Science, New Series, Vol. 79, No. 2053 (May 4, 1934), pp. 415-416 This article consists of 2 page(s). http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0036-8075%28...B2-L&origin=JSTOR-pdf * Will require an account to access the PDF file from a University or another instuition. |
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mgl_ALPerryman
FightAIDS@Home, GO Fight Against Malaria and OpenZika Scientist USA Joined: Aug 25, 2007 Post Count: 283 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi Robert,
You're very welcome. Thank you for helping me perform these calculations, Dr. Alex Perryman |
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I had some more final thoughts on sound technology to destroy viruses. I suppose the effectiveness would largely be based on how developed and refined the technology could get. The very crude form used in the past is not good enough to be used in animals/humans.
I would make the assumption a fairly sophisticated amount of computer processing power would be needed. The machine producing the sound vibrations would need to be extremely accurate for maximum and most efficient, resonant frequency of such a small virus particle.. That is 417 khz would waste a lot of energy and have minimal effect being it would not be very selective. It would probably have to produce something like, 417,899.00022299933899900022888888 Khz or some frequency very accurate down to many, many decimal places. Furthermore, the sound analyses would need to use some discrete fourier transformations to eliminate noise sources and achieve desired efficiency and effect. I'm not even sure our technology and understanding would be good enough yet to use sound technology to destroy viruses. Assuming, this can be done effectively in animals and humans. |
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mgl_ALPerryman
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Hi rbolo,
To perform these docking calculations well, we first need to have a very high-resolution 3-D structure of the target (that is, a three-dimensional map with a tenth of a nanometer scale of the location of each and every one of the many thousands of atoms that form even a small protein). And then we need to understand the amount of flexibility in the target, in terms of which regions are moving, how far they move, and how fast they move (in relation to each and every other atom in the target). Atomically-detailed maps of the structures of a human cell do not yet exist. Thus far, scientists have only solved the structures of a fraction of the different pieces. More and more structures of how a few of the different pieces fit together to form a larger complex are being solved each year. These larger complexes can form the building blocks for even larger structural components of the cell or the environment outside of it, and sometimes they form very intricate little nanomachines (such as the ribosome, which is the molecular factory that synthesizes proteins by using the information contained in "messenger RNA" as a guide...........many, many labs worked for decades to try to solve the 3-D structure of the ribosome, and it was only recently figured out). The science still has a long way to go, and a lot of time and effort needs to be spent before we'll have a better picture of the structure of a human cell. Without those details, these types of docking calculations cannot be applied. Thus, these calculations help us understand how a compound is able to bind to and sabotage its target, and they can help guide the process of designing and evaluating new compounds. But these calculations involve the events that happen after a compound has already been digested, entered the bloodstream, diffused to the cells that contain the target, entered the cells, and then approached the target (which is usually in a very densely-crowded environment with many other somewhat similar targets that you don't want to hit). These other events are currently far beyond the scope of atomic-level docking calculations (as far as I know). Dealing with these issues tends to involve a lot of expensive, time-consuming trial-and-error experiments with cells in test tubes, then in different animals, and then in people who volunteer. But the physicists, mathematicians, chemists, biologists, biochemists, and computer scientists who are becoming increasingly interested and involved in studying these questions keep surprising me. Who knows what will be possible with the simulations that will be performed a few decades from now? As a note, a large part of Prof. Art Olson's Molecular Graphics Laboratory at TSRI is devoted to working on creating, developing, validating, applying, and sharing the different tools, techniques, and theories that deal with these specific docking questions. This type of work forms the foundation for and will help inspire the types of advancements that might one day make simulations of those other, more complicated events possible. |
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