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mgl_ALPerryman
FightAIDS@Home, GO Fight Against Malaria and OpenZika Scientist USA Joined: Aug 25, 2007 Post Count: 283 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hello again rbolo,
The most impressive benefits gained by current RNAi research involve the type of discoveries in that article. RNAi is incredibly useful for discovering new targets and for understanding how different targets affect each other (that is, for understanding how decreases in the amount of a certain target affect the rest of a cell). Best wishes, Dr. Alex Perryman |
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Nemezis
Cruncher Belarus Joined: Apr 18, 2006 Post Count: 8 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Helloy. I have some question. How close we get to medicine against HIV (and AIDS)? How long we have to work to end this project?
Sorry, my English is not good. |
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Former Member
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Hello Nemezis,
The Scripps Research Institute uses our computers for many experiments to fight AIDS. If you click on http://fightaidsathome.scripps.edu/ you will see that they are ready to run Experiment 17 'Relaxed Complex Method of Several Compounds, Their Fragments & Several Derivatives versus the Exo site of snapshots from MD of V82F/I84V Mutant 1D4S'. So there is no definite end as long as we have new ideas about how to fight AIDS. At the top of http://fightaidsathome.scripps.edu/ you can see links to 4 issues of the FightAIDS@Home Newsletter. Lawrence |
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Former Member
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The topic of this forum seems to be exactly my concern. I very recently joined the World Community Grid and FightAIDS@home. I need assurances that my computer resources and electricity goes to actual causes that I want to support.
How do I know that this "Fight AIDS" is in search of a cure? Same goes for all the other medical projects, such as Help Conquer Cancer, etc. It is well known that there is no money in finding cures, and drug companies only look for ways to prolong suffering and create dependence on their drugs, that's how they make money. And who will own the cure? Drug companies that receive public resources to develop new drugs are supposed to make the drugs accessible to people, but they have been known to claim full ownership of drugs which were developed with public funds and resources, and virtually hold people hostage to get money for the drugs. If a cure is found, how do I know that it will be manufactured and distributed and not hidden away so that other profitable treatments can be put on the market? I need assurances that we are looking for a cure, and not a way to prolong suffering and line the pockets of suits in a drug company. I also need to know that the cure will be accessible to everyone so that the disease can be eradicated, and not the property of people who are only out to get rich on it, and not hidden away. Who is really to gain from all this? Who is truly behind this (and other) projects? If I can't get a satisfactory answer, I will restrict myself to participating in SETI@home. I don't think anyone will get rich with that. If you know how someone can, then let me know so that I can withdraw from that project as well. |
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Former Member
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There are no drug companies involved, OnTheEsplanade. All the research done with the help of World Community Grid is released into the public domain. This means that anybody can benefit from the work, and build on it.
IBM run World Community Grid. Have a look at the people on the Advisory Board, overseeing what World Community Grid does: # Dr. Francine Berman, Director, San Diego Supercomputer Center # Dr. Paulo Marchiori Buss, President, Fundação Oswaldo Cruz # Dr. Jim Chelikosky, Director, Center for Computational Materials, Director, Institute for the Theory of Advanced Materials in Information Technology, University of Texas at Austin # Dr. Denis Cortese, President & CEO, Mayo Clinic # Dr. Deborah Estrin, Jon Postel Chair in Computer Networks, UCLA; Director, Center for Embedded Networked Sensing # Mr. John Fahey, President and CEO, National Geographic Society # Mr. Jonathan Fanton, President, The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation # Dr. Gary J. Foley, Director, National Exposure Research Laboratory, Office of Research and Development, United States Environmental Protection Agency # Dr. Ian Foster, Associate Director, Mathematics & Computer Science Division, Argonne National Laboratory # Dr. Elaine K. Gallin, Program Director, Medical Research, Doris Duke Charitable Foundation # Professor Paul Jeffreys, Director of Oxford e-Science Centre and Director of Computing Services, Oxford University # Dr. Sangtae Kim*, Donald W. Feddersen Distinguished Professor of Mechanical Engineering and of Chemical Engineering, Purdue University # Dr. Edward McCabe, Physician-in-Chief, Mattel Children's Hospital, UCLA # Dr. Ayoade M.J. Oduola*, Coordinator of Basic and Strategic Research and Manager, Committee on Pathogenesis and Applied Genomics, World Health Organization # Dr. Harry Orf, VP Scientific Operations, Scripps Research Institute # Dr. Vijay Raghavan, Director, National Center for Biological Sciences # Ms. Linda Sanford, Senior Vice President of Enterprise On Demand Transformation and Information Technology, IBM Corporation # Dr. Satoshi Sekiguchi, Director, Grid Technology Research Center, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology # Dr. Sibusiso Sibisi, President and CEO, Council for Scientific and Industrial Research # Professor Lap-Chee Tsui, Vice-Chancellor, The University of Hong Kong Biomedical Research Advisor: # Dr. T.J. Koerner, Director of Research Information Management, American Cancer Society |
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Former Member
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Unless I research all these people and organizations, I will assume that they are all ethical and moral people, and are providing their expertise for the good of mankind.
But you still left much doubt on my mind. If no drug (or other profit-oriented) companies are involved, who has the resources to manufacture and distribute the cure/treatment? Also, "All the research ... is released into the public domain. ... anybody can benefit [or profit?] from the work, and build on it." Call me a cynic, but what I see here is work being done by everyone, but some company will take it, make a minor change, and say that they own it. For example, Linux may be public domain, but Red Hat Linux is a repackaging that is sold for profit. Natural fruits and vegetables (which can no longer be found at your grocers) cannot be patented, but all these unnatural and genetically modified versions you see in the stores are owned by someone. OK, the people involved in these projects may have good intentions, and I am willing to continue to participate, but how do you protect these sheep from being gobbled up by wolves. (E.G., "Who Killed the Electric Car?" -- the oil companies.) I guess I have to wait and see, and hope I won't be saying, "I told you so." |
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Former Member
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You are partly right. There is nothing stopping companies from building on these results, and creating drugs that they can sell. And that's the way it should be. Human trials are very expensive, and drug companies have the resources for that kind of thing.
But with the basic science released to the public domain, there is a lot less that the drug companies can patent (and grounds for throwing out the patents if they try anyway). This means that it is easy to create cheap generic drugs if any of the leads prove successful. Who has the resources? There are a lot of not-for-profits involved in drug research. Manufacturing drugs isn't the problem - drugs cost mere pennies to actually produce. Actually, perfectly natural fruit and vegetables can be owned - most countries have special intellectual property law just to protect oddities like hybrid vegetable strains. To use your analogy - Red Hat charge for Linux*. Does this make the Linux distributions you can get elsewhere any worse? Actually, I hear many are better than Red Hat. * I'm just going to go with your analogy without getting bogged down in technicalities. |
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Former Member
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You have convinced me that there is value in participating in this project, but I am also convinced that some money hungry suit will find a way to profit from it in an unfair manner.
I have one more unusual question. If my work unit is the one that leads to a cure or leads to a viable treatment, do I get honorable mention? I know SETI@home promises to give you mention, or at least used to, if your work unit proves to be a signal sent from an extraterrestrial life form. |
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Former Member
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Sorry, OnTheEsplanade. Most of the projects we run here won't have a "magic work unit" containing the cure to cancer or AIDS. Taking FAAH as an example, by the time the scientists are confident they have an exceptional lead, the molecule will have been used in many simulations run by many members.
Besides, I don't believe WCG keep the data that would be needed to track back to the specific members that worked on a particular work unit. We all share the fame, here. |
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duncanr
Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Post Count: 7 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi
I have been doing this project for a little while now. I am HIV+ and I am not getting any better. Have the researchers ever had the idea of "cutting" molecules like protease? instead of having drugs that block it. I wonder if the virus would be able to "adapt" to such a thing? or cut reverse transcriptase. |
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