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Former Member
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Si ça vous intéresse : La Liberté qui entraîne le peuple. Une peinture très connue. Bien sûr, ça ne c'est jamais passé comme ça. C'est une fois de plus la symbolique, que les femmes ont pris une grande part dans la Révolution.
![]() If you're interested: Freedom that trains the people. A very famous painting. Of course, it never happened like that. This is once again the symbolic, that women took a big part in the Revolution. ![]() |
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Former Member
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Thank you, stefada.
Yes, you see this painting everywhere that deals with French history. I know it so well from the more common of my French stamps. I always found her cap a little strange - I wouldn't have chosen that for the hat to wear myself when leading a revolution but thanks to Wikipedia I now know that it is a Phrygian cap - and it has much to say about the symbolic bonnets rouges - well, symbols over looks This lovely Marianne has it all: Bonnet rouge, tricolor cockade, and fleur de lys ![]() |
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acpartsman
Veteran Cruncher Martinsville VA, USA Joined: May 6, 2007 Post Count: 943 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Good morning everyone.
----------------------------------------A nice cloudy, cooler day for a change. Been in the 90's for a while, 77 today which is good since I'm off to rip out lath & plaster. Hope y'all have a great day. ![]()
One drop raises the sea.
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Little Mermaid,
Oui, le bonnet rouge a toute une histoire. Je pense qu'un peu comme pour le drapeau, les gens pensent que ça veut dire "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité" ; Si on leur demande de parler d'un emblème révolutionnaire, ils feront mention de la cocarde. Mais en Bretagne, où nous faisons clairement attention à nos traditions, le bonnet rouge reste un symbole très fort. Il n'y a qu'a voir les grosses manifestations en 2013/2014 : ---------- Yes, the red cap has a whole story. I think a bit like the flag, people think it means "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity"; If asked to talk about a revolutionary emblem, they will mention the cockade. But in Brittany, where we clearly pay attention to our traditions, the red cap remains a very strong symbol. There is only to see the big events (protestations ?) in 2013/2014: ![]() Quant à ton image de Marianne, autant elle est très jolie, autant c'est un non-sens qu'elle porte une Fleur de Lys. Marianne symbolise la République et/ou la Liberté, et elle porte l'emblème du Roi ? C'est comme si elle était à la fois révolutionnaire et royaliste. Mais ça montre bien, que la France n'est pas devenue une République du jour au lendemain. La prise de la Bastille est un symbole très fort, mais ce n'était que le début d'un long processus. --------- As for your image of Marianne, as she is very pretty, as much it is nonsense she wears a Fleur de Lys. Marianne symbolizes the Republic and / or Liberty, and she wears the emblem of the King? It's as if she were both revolutionary and royalist. But it shows well that France did not become a Republic overnight. The taking of the Bastille is a very strong symbol, but it was only the beginning of a long process. Hi acpartsman, Bon courage à toi ! ---------- Good luck to you ! |
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It's so nice of you to give us all this information about France, stefada
Yes, I can see that all the symbols are mixed on the picture. Are those black-and-white flags in your picture from Bretagne? - but it was such a nice one |
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Former Member
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Little Mermaid,
Le Gwenn ha du, littéralement « Blanc et Noir », est le Drapeau Breton. Il est très récent en fait, qu'il a été inventé aux alentours de 1924. Le Drapeau blanc couvert d'hermines ayant longtemps servit à la noblesse de Bretagne, tandis que la Croix Noir sur fond blanc était souvent utilisée à la Guerre. Il y en a eu plein d'autres, mais ceux sont les deux qui ont été le plus utilisé. Morvan Marchal qui est l'auteur du Gwenn ha du, le décrit ainsi : « J'ai donc pensé et continue à croire, qu'en conservant au maximum les hermines primitives, l'on pouvait composer un drapeau breton d'esprit moderne. En voici la signification : au coin gauche du drapeau, un quartier d'hermines innombrables ; neuf bandes égales alternativement noires et blanches, couleurs traditionnelles, lesquelles représentent : les blanches, les pays bretonnants (« Basse-Bretagne ») [...] ; les noires les pays bretons gallos (« Haute-Bretagne ») [...]. Ce drapeau, qui, je le répète, n'a jamais voulu être un drapeau politique, mais un emblème moderne de la Bretagne, me paraît constituer une synthèse, parfaitement acceptable de la tradition du drapeau d'hermines pleines (sic), et d'une figuration de la diversité bretonne. » Il y a pourtant eu beaucoup de polémiques, pour des raisons diverses. Une des principales, c'est que la Bretagne étant historiquement catholique, le découpage des 'pays' et des évêchés est presque le même. Ce qui pourrait faire apparaître l'Eglise sur le Drapeau, alors que la Bretagne fait partie de la France, avec la loi de 1905 (Séparation de l'Eglise et de l'Etat). Il y a aussi que ça reprend les Armes de la ville de Rennes, et que c'est l'invention d'un Rennais, donc les bretons de l'Ouest considèrent que c'est quelque chose de bretons de l'Est (je simplifie). Etc ... Il faut attendre les années 80/90, pour que tout le monde adopte ce Drapeau en Bretagne. Il n'y a plus aucune connotation politique, ni religieuse. C'est juste un signe de rassemblement pour tous les bretons. C'est d'ailleurs assez marrant, qu'il n'a aucune valeur/reconnaissance légale, mais il est sur tous les bâtiments publics (mairies, préfectures, gendarmeries, etc). The Gwenn ha du, literally "White and Black", is the Breton flag. It is very recent in fact, it was invented around 1924. The white flag covered with ermines has long served the nobility of Brittany, while the Black Cross on white background was often used in the War. There have been many others, but those are the two that have been the most used. Morvan Marchal who is the author of Gwenn ha du, describes it as follows: "So I thought and continue to believe that by keeping the primitive ermines as much as possible, we could compose a Breton flag with a modern spirit. Here is the meaning: in the left corner of the flag, a district of innumerable hermines; nine equal bands alternately black and white, traditional colors, which represent: the white, the Breton countries ("Lower Brittany") [...]; the blacks Breton countries gallos ("Upper Brittany") [...]. This flag, which, I repeat, has never wanted to be a political flag, but a modern emblem of Brittany, seems to me to constitute a perfectly acceptable synthesis of the tradition of the ermine flag (sic), and of a representation of Brittany's diversity. » There has been a lot of controversy, however, for various reasons. One of the principal is that Brittany being historically Catholic, the division of 'countries' and bishoprics is almost the same. What could make the Church appear on the Flag, while Brittany is part of France, with the law of 1905 (Separation of Church and State). There is also that it takes again the Weapons of the city of Rennes, and that it is the invention of a Rennais, so the Breton of the West consider that it is something of Breton of the East (I simplified). Etc ... It was not until the 80s / 90s, so that everyone adopts this Flag in Brittany. There is no longer any political or religious connotation. It's just a sign of gathering for all the Bretons. It is quite funny, it has no value / legal recognition, but it is on all public buildings (town halls, prefectures, gendarmeries (Cop's base ?), etc.). |
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Former Member
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Bretons were always special, weren't you, stefada?
I include you, stefada, because I think: Once Breton always Breton deep down ... Some mysterious Celtic people which went its own ways? I never went further than Normandy - I guess the Vikings didn't either - the Vikings cannot any more Perhaps I could with my strange Blue EU travel insurance card |
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Good Morning Base Campers!
With stefada’s information about French national symbols we should be in fine shape to take part in the celebration of the French Bastille Day. We'll of course need to get some of those bonnets rouge. Later we’ll need to learn to land on the Moon and move around there. TLD went home to SeriousCrunchers. Thank you for being here, TLD Remaining to make sure we make una bella figura in the challenges – well Team Andrax in snapping at our heels in the one we lead over them are: acpartsman davwhite5xq7 little mermaid Yodap@BC Captain adriverhoef, I have wondered for a long, long time: What does ’lidwien’ mean? tanner2 performed the same move as Eric_Kaiser to our new team on the block Crunchers4Life and of course that lands him a Rosie whether he has one already or not and whether he talks or not. ![]() Congratulations Little Brother ♥ Actually you’re a good deal above average talkwise, I think What Base Camp does right now We are on our top40.nl 2.0 trek which takes place here: top40.nl Everybody is invited at any time during the entire month of July – nobody comes … July 14 – Bastille Day in France and July 21 – anniversary for the lunar landing will be peak days Captain adriverhoef has entered us into a number of challenges This is the badge for trek top40.nl 2.0 ![]() So far it has been earned by acpartsman davwhite5xq7 Eric_Kaiser little mermaid tanner2 TLD Yodap@BC UltimaThule will earn one if he returns to Minnesota Crunchers ♥ Willkommen ♥ Bienvenue ♥ Welcome ♥ ![]() |
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[GPT] tanner3
Advanced Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 16, 2011 Post Count: 99 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Lol, I'm here off and on.
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Former Member
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he-he that's why we have a rotating door, tanner2
- only we couldn't afford such one, so we got this two-way cat flap at a bargain price See you ![]() Take care not to collide with other Base Campers until our sign comes up ![]() |
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