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Hi Drew

I've literally just finished watching "Britain's Worst Nuclear Accident" on the TV tonight, 50 years after the event. When I wrote the post above I was unaware of the significance of the date. In the rush to produce a UK H- Bomb boundaries were pushed and we were very lucky not to have had our own Chernobyl 29 years earlier, as it was we had a runaway core fire and radioactive material was spread across the Lake District of the UK.

Many things about this event were covered up by the UK Government with a view that "Ignorance is Bliss"

If the amounts of money put into Nuclear had (or still could be) invested in benign alternatives then I am convinced they would be viable today.

I don't think the Russian Government or any other Government with such a resource would act any differently with regard to the safety of it's own population.

The only way to be sure of a "safe" Nuclear Industry is to eradicate the possibility completely. Leave the Uranium evenly distributed around the Globe as intended instead of in very hot, and radioactive for thousands of years, spots

We owe it to future generations not to take this risk today for a short term gain (The PR Spin of Global Warming) and leave them a terrible legacy when with the same zeal and effort placed in producing the Atomic Era we pursued instead the renewable resources of Wind, Hydroelectric, Tidal, River, Geothermal, Solar.

The damage of the Nuclear Era of the 30's-60's and onwards into the 80's was, and still is, a crime against Humanity.

. <--That's a Big Full Stop


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Hello Again,

I find the difference between public perception and fact interesting in regard to fuel used for electric generation. We think renewable energy is a much larger percentage that what it actually is.

Considering that I live in the US, I hope you can forgive my using US figures and projections. A survey was conducted a few months (March 30 to April 1st) that asked Americans what percentage of electricity is produced from a listing of fuels. We over estimate the amount of renewable power.

The First survey shows the percentage perceived by Americans and the actual percentage of electricity produced from each fuel. The Actual figures are from the official figures from the US Government (the Energy Information Administration).



  • Natural Gas 32% Survey/ 19.9% Actual
  • Coal 31% Survey/ 49% Actual
  • Oil 22% Survey/ 1.6% Actual ???
  • Hydropower 16% Survey/ 6.9% Actual
  • Nuclear Energy 10% Survey/ 19.4% Actual
  • Solar Energy 8% Survey/ 0.02% Actual !!!
  • Wind 6% Survey/ 0.7% Actual !!!


Look at how much we are off! We hear about solar and wind energy so much in the media that is skews our preception of reality. Wind and Solar technology and cost is just not practical for provide the electricity that a modern society needs.

The next listing shows the survey results for each fuel followed by the projections for that fuel in the year 2023. It is interesting how we have been brainwashed into believeing that solar and wind will provide more energy than is economically fesible. The projections are provided by the US government.


  • Natural Gas 16% Survey/ 20.2% Projected
  • Coal 14% Survey/ 50.9% Projected
  • Oil 10% Survey/ 2% Projected
  • Hydropower 14% Survey/ 5.9% Projected
  • Nuclear Energy 24% Survey/ 17.1% Projected
  • Solar Energy 27% Survey/ .02% Projected !!!
  • Wind 19% Survey/ 1% Projected !!!


We can talk wind and solar, but it is mostly just talk...it is not happening in the near future and we had best embrace nuclear and save our lungs from coal fired electric generation.

If we rely on wind and solar without a HUGE increase in coal fired electric generation or nuclear (as I would hope), we will be sitting in the dark or reading with the light from our whale oil lamps.

Take care,
Drew
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We can talk wind and solar, but it is mostly just talk...it is not happening in the near future and we had best embrace nuclear and save our lungs from coal fired electric generation.

If we rely on wind and solar without a HUGE increase in coal fired electric generation or nuclear (as I would hope), we will be sitting in the dark or reading with the light from our whale oil lamps.

Take care,
Drew


Well said. Wind and solar power cannot currently (or anytime in the next 20-40+ years) realistically meet global energy demands. Nuclear is far better than coal.
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Better to fill your Lungs with a few extra ppm of non toxic (but non life supporting - for the pedantic) CO2 (also useful for plant life) than a lung full of Caesium-137 any day

we can wait 20 to 40 years (30.17 years is just the half life of Cs137)

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Good Morning,

Coal buring generates sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, and mercury/mercury compounds. The descriptions are directly from the US Environmental Protection Agency. These emissons are the direct result of coal burning. Nuclear provides clean energy.

You guys can decide what risk is worth taking.

Take care,
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Mercury/Mercury Compounds
Mercury is a toxic heavy metal that is a byproduct of the combustion of fossil fuels, especially coal. Mercury and compounds containing mercury can accumulate in the environment and are highly toxic to humans and animals if inhaled or swallowed. Exposure can permanently damage the brain, kidneys, and fetuses.

Sulfur Dioxide
High concentrations of sulfur dioxide affect breathing and may aggravate existing respiratory and cardiovascular disease. Sensitive populations include asthmatics, individuals with bronchitis or emphysema, children, and the elderly. Sulfur dioxide is also a primary contributor to acid rain, which causes acidification of lakes and streams and can damage trees, crops, historic buildings, and statues. In addition, sulfur compounds in the air contribute to visibility impairment in large parts of the country. This is especially noticeable in national parks. Sulfur dioxide is released primarily from burning fuels that contain sulfur (such as coal, oil, and diesel fuel). Stationary sources such as coal- and oil-fired power plants, steel mills, refineries, pulp and paper mills, and nonferrous smelters are the largest releasers.

Nitrogen Oxides (NOX)
Gases consisting of one molecule of nitrogen and varying numbers of oxygen molecules. Nitrogen oxides are produced in the emissions of vehicle exhausts and from power stations. In the atmosphere, nitrogen oxides can contribute to formation of photochemical ozone (smog), can impair visibility, and have health consequences; they are thus considered pollutants.
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Re: laughingCan You Save Al Gore?laughing

laughing

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That's a good one "Nuclear provides clean energy" that's almost as good as Tesco's

(The UK's largest supermarket chain making £936 million profit in the first half of this year)

"Helping you spend less every day"

ROFLMAO if it wasn't so serious an issue

It's clean as long as you ignore the industry that is entailed in producing and maintaining the plant and sourcing the Uranium and clean as long as you ignore the radioactive byproducts produced and the radiation doses that the workers receive and clean as long as you ignore the long term hazards (measured in thousands of years) and the decommissioning requirements

Then it's clean

and that's if nothing goes wrong in the running of such a plant d oh
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Amost as good as

"Electricity so cheap that it wouldn't be worth metering"
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071009/D8S5ERF01.html

One of the nation's largest power generators has agreed to end a years-long federal lawsuit by paying $4.6 billion to reduce pollution that has eaten away at Northeast mountain ranges and national landmarks

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