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Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

I'm happy to announce that we will be resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 (HPF2) processing most likely some time this weekend. We have tested the new Rosetta code behind the scenes and the initial results have been validated by the researchers. Then next step is to launch it on the full grid to get a large enough set of results for the researchers to perform the final full-scale result validation. We think this will go well and we will be able to just continue running. The UD agent version happens to be ready first, so we will launch that shortly. The Boinc agent version is almost ready and just needs a little bit more work and testing. So we may launch it within a couple of weeks or perhaps earlier, depending on how everything goes behind the scenes. By the way, the results returned to date, from before the pause in the project, are valid and will be used by the researchers. Thank you to all of the members for your valuable contributions to this and the other projects!

Some of our more technically oriented members probably know about the result checking process we use. Essentially, each work unit is normally sent to more than one machine and we look for majority equality in the results before sending them on to the researchers. HPF2 is one of our projects that can make use of a statistical clustering scheme to find valid results from a large number of protein structure predictions. This method also permits the researchers to discard errant results. Therefore, for HPF2, we can have each member compute a unique result and this can accelerate the overall project by a factor of 3 or more. In other words, we don't need to run duplicate computations and thus can run more work through the grid in a given amount of time. The ultimate result validation burden remains with the researchers, as before. But we won't have to run as many work units through the grid. However, there will still be some preliminary checking of the results at our servers for UD and Boinc, to make sure the computations have not been obviously corrupted due to hardware errors or other problems. Members running Boinc will see that this scheme lets Boinc "validate" results sooner, thus awarding points sooner, while keeping the points assignment fair using a run duration normalization technique. If this approach works out well, we will implement it on other projects for which this scheme can be used. It will help take years off the time required to run massive projects such as HPF2.
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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

From the way it is understood, this is a 'close to', if not identical methodology as how it is done at Rosetta@Home. There the same protein is computed from tens of thousands of angles (seeds i think they are called). This obviously requires a different approach to the BOINC point award calculation, since there is no quorum 3, i.e. not the high/low claims to elimination.

At Rosetta a good system was worked out to compute the BOINC points, which were identical to all OS platforms, killing that bone of contention. Also the points are very close to the old windows Stock BOINC benchmark claims value, so in effect the Linux machines get better recognition.

The CA's are not privy to the exact methodology of computing the credits. For that we have to wait until those tasked at WCG have worked this out....we're still a few weeks away from the BOINC re-introduction of HPF2 as per Viktors post above, so propose to not start a barrage of questions and wait for the exact description.

UD Points system is not effected, as each machine gets to points as is computed individually during the finishing/benchmark calculation process.

In the big picture, obviously the efficiency is massively improved. Only one WU rather than 3 copies. That should please everyone.

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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

Good news. This is my main project of interest here so it's great to see it coming back.
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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

Members should be receiving HPF2 work units now on the UD agent. Thanks for your patience with the long delay in this project.
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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

I got one! smile Shall be finished in an hour or so.

Was a decent size dowload, 5556350 bytes. Or maybe thats what they usually are, have not seen one in a while. Larger than the other projects I think too.

Does HPF2 check point everytime the score graph starts again?

Is great to see it back online, i almost forgot about it tongue
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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

The first time you will have received the software to run the new version of science. Seen up to 10 / 12 mb for new projects. Don't know what the size is of the regular WU only.

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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

I got one! smile Shall be finished in an hour or so.

Was a decent size dowload, 5556350 bytes. Or maybe thats what they usually are, have not seen one in a while. Larger than the other projects I think too.

Does HPF2 check point everytime the score graph starts again?

Is great to see it back online, i almost forgot about it tongue

Yes, HPF2 checkpoints each time the graphs complete.

The large download size is due to the new exe, graphics dll, and resident data. Workunits themselves are quite small. This is a one time download, barring updates to one of these 3 items.
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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

Great! cool Looking forward to resume crunching for this project. Hopefully everything will work out fine and you can focus yourselves on the next projects! biggrin
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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

I am glad that HPF2 is/will be running again. But I would like to know if there has been any progress on the "scientific side" lately with the data generated by HPF1?
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Re: Resuming Human Proteome Folding 2 this weekend

only on Nov.1 a member posted a message with a link to the preliminary paper:

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=9544#75023
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