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David Autumns
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Re: Are points being awarded fairly?

How many Devil's advocates does one subject need LOL

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You are all right of course but we've had a look under the hood (Bonnet in the UK) we've tinkered around but it's a lost cause. The 2 products are entirely different in the way that they work out their relative benchmarks

I will stick with BOINC for the reasons given in my "hypocritical" reply to spikey_richie - It's a better product and long term all those advantages will add up to getting more crunching done which is why we are here. Just one example is the fact that I can now crunch on my laptops batteries on the train in the morning, just one example I now have that as an option

For each hour your PC runs either UD or BOINC just as much number crunching is done we've established this as fact

All the rest is just a game, a bit of fun, hopefully a laugh or two along the way.

But what we are tackling isn't a laughing matter and maybe it's this that should encourage us to recruit and keep our machines running 24/7.

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That said I'm looking forward to wupping a certain number cruncher in the short term - you know who he is wink

We're both BOINC'ed so it a fair fight biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

I'm such a kid laughing

It's funny to hear my 13 year old daughter say to me.

"Dad you're so immature rolling eyes "

LOL

Smile whenever you can

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That said I'm looking forward to wupping a certain number cruncher in the short term - you know who he is wink

We're both BOINC'ed so it a fair fight biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

I'm such a kid laughing

It's funny to hear my 13 year old daughter say to me.

"Dad you're so immature rolling eyes "

LOL

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laughing It was a fair fight until you moved the goal posts
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LOL

Me and the kids had a chat and we figured we would mess with your head a bit, since I was paying for all the leccy they would help me out - It was the sig wot did it biggrin but you cottoned on and removed it so we unleashed the avalanche of WU's we had stacking up. Knreed's little change made for a handy smokescreen

It's amazing how much difference a couple of 3000+'s make

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278th at the last look shock

Keep on Crunching
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those pending validations are stacking up biggrin
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LOL

Me and the kids had a chat and we (I mean, "I") figured we (I mean, "I" ) would mess with your head a bit

biggrin Now it looks correct
since I was paying for all the leccy they would help me out

biggrin Dont they call that Peer Pressure?
It's amazing how much difference a couple of 3000+'s make

wink "Whoa!" I never realised how desperate you was to stay ahead of me!
biggrin So are you going to return their PC's to them, now that you have supposedly messed with my head, as you so elequently phrased it?
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Point well made normal service is resumed biggrin

I've got good kids it was definitely a family decision they are street wise

Go on then storm past me

After you

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Billvelek, to address
"As I've tried to say a couple of times now, as long as reasonable steps are taken to award points fairly, I don't really care if they are precisely equal. But a factor of 2.5 times seems very unreasonable and unfair to me IF ITS FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF CRUNCHING. Now, it seems to me that I read somewhere in the rules (too lazy to look it up right now), that no device can be rated at more than double the comparison device; if true, I don't know why that limit was adopted, and it doesn't seem fair to me either. If you have a super fast computer that is four or five times as fast as the comparison device," Unquote.

Slap me on the hand if i'm bringing something up, already discussed in this thread.....there is the quorum of 3 balancing act in BOINC. If 2 machines rip thru a WU and claim say 45 and 48 points, then me slug coming in late, but thats not relevant, drop in # 3 and claim 60, the 45 and 60 get point wise dismissed and everyone in the quorum gets 48 each. On average, sometimes being the low of the three, the high or the centre piece, I find that on a larger number of WU's average send in, i get about 7.75 BOINC points per CPU hour contributed. Those BOINC points as mentioned are converted to WCG points at an average of 7. Short Rosetta's get often an exact 7. Some other certain sizes get exact 6.75 and other roam around than 7 number. The 7.75 BOINC points average per hour has seen lows of 6.35 and highs of 10....just entirely depending on who your chance quorum teammates were.

I've adopted sort of the BOINC promotor function in our team, because of the much greater efficiency, dual core and hyper threading utilisation.....in the end now 45 days on BOINC i can say that prior i processed 1.33 WU's per day on average, now 2.66, coincidence? Size vary both in UD and BOINC agent. My points have more or less doubled too, so dont think there is any inequity in the system. Don't believe it..... its like a placebo, they work too, sometimes biggrin

One devious thing discovered (re-inventing a wheel maybe) is to effectively shut down any process, but BOINC (unplug the ADSL and kill firewall and antivir inclusive), then run the Benchmark, which i'm told impacts the height of the claim. For sure the Dhry- and Whetstone MIPS came up quite drastically....... These guys at Berkeley though, thought of that too, so they made BOINC to run the benchmark regularly, just when you're not looking and were doing that heavy spreadsheet job whilst watching that windows with that streaming video in the corner of your eyes .....claims down, thus like EPO, it wears off ;>)

PS everytime you run the benchmark it stops the science crunch for the duration, then reloads the WU from the last datapoint.....you loose 10 minutes helping medicine each time sick

Fishing trip is planned.....another way to boost my 'points' i'm making dancing
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Hi Sekerob

I haven't seen the surreptitious benchmarking of the BOINC Client. This happens at the end of every UD Work Unit though so you are still ahead on productivity with BOINC.

That all said even if you do get a unusually high score on the benchmark test the mean score from the 3 posted eliminates this effect.

I'm not sure if it is the average of the quorum or the middle of the three values I know there are mathematical terms for each but it's a long time now since those maths classes.

Maybe others could shed light on the averaging effect of BOINC
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Point well made normal service is resumed biggrin

I've got good kids it was definitely a family decision they are street wise

Go on then storm past me

After you

Dave

smile Hey David
Irrespective of the tongue in cheek humour, your dedication to the project is most admirable
sad It's a shame that you are not still with us
wink Come on be honest, you do miss your old team mates and being part of the mighty team that you built, don't you?
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