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Re: Raspberry Pi - Swap file size with Raspios

These device are good little machines and I'm just looking for an excuse to use one which is why I started this thread.

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I just got a raspberry Pi4 B with 8GB RAM and rejoined WCG after ages.
13 Watts for the Pi 4B. Have 8th and 10th Gen laptops, about 250 watts each. Gaming rigs to be exact. Comparing Apples with Oranges is not exactly fair.
The price in my currency is Rupees 30000 for the Pi4 and Rupees 250000 for one laptop.
Ordered two more Raspberry Pi4 B's. wink
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I am comparing oranges to oranges. Work produced against work produced. How many average daily points produced with your Pi4? About 7000?

Now calculate have many you need to put out WUs like a high end AMD 3900X. Throughout this thread I have done that kind of calculation: about 20-25 Pi4s or 600000-750000 Rupees for about 260-325 watts.

I did some maths and presume currency is PKR.

Now we have apples to apples.

You have 2 gaming rigs so I presume you are comfortable with price. My rig is a bare bones tower with a big fan. Don't quite know how to cool laptops to that that level.

Obviously I were into the gaming thing I would not want to be using them for WCG at the same time.
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Am looking at the Raspberry Pi 4 to do some crunching. I've read enough to know I can get the OS and Boinc stuff to work correctly.

What I wonder is how much work can this thing do compared to an older PC. What would it compare to in Intel or AMD terms.

Anyone doing this and is it worth the time I will put into it?

Pointers??

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I am running a Raspberry Pi4B 8GB. It draws 13 watts of power, four cores. Goes through a task in about nine hours. The cost is 1/20th of a laptop. The four WU are consuming less than a GB with OS.
Tomorrow or the day after I will receive a Raspberry Pi4B 2Gb RAM and this 8Gb RAM one I will instal CPDN. Their WU's demand about 3 Gb RAM. OS will be Linux Mint.
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I am comparing oranges to oranges. Work produced against work produced. How many average daily points produced with your Pi4? About 7000?

Now calculate have many you need to put out WUs like a high end AMD 3900X. Throughout this thread I have done that kind of calculation: about 20-25 Pi4s or 600000-750000 Rupees for about 260-325 watts.

I did some maths and presume currency is PKR.

Now we have apples to apples.

You have 2 gaming rigs so I presume you are comfortable with price. My rig is a bare bones tower with a big fan. Don't quite know how to cool laptops to that that level.

Obviously I were into the gaming thing I would not want to be using them for WCG at the same time.

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Also, take into consideration the energy consumed.
Raspberry Pi4B costs $35. You get a clunker from the garbage dump, let us know the cost power consumed.
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I have taken the energy consumed into consideration. It's in my reply.... and who is talking about clunkers from a garbage dump. That is also in my reply somewhere in this thread. A clunker is NOT a thing to do.

What I wonder is how much work can this thing do compared to an older PC
About that of an old Lenovo T400 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz. About 7000 points/day

Others who run Pi4's validated this in the thread somewhere or maybe in another Pi4 thread.
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Re: Raspberry Pi - Swap file size with Raspios

hello,
new here.
Through my work i have come to hold 20 rpi4 2gb boards. I've always wanted to learn makig cluster or raids.
my knowledge is still limited and now I want to contribute to this community. my question is, can i contribute with a cluster of 20 rpi4 2gb? Assuming proper ethernet cables and power cables etc on my end, will the cluster be 'better' than adding one board to the community for helping?

People talk about points and rewards and stuff, i don't understand this, i just want to donate computing power that is otherwise sitting idle.
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Points, to me, are the measuring stick by which you can see how much work is done presuming all WCG projects have equal value. Thus 20 hours of ARP should be equal to 20hrs of OPN or other project and worth x points. I can't validate this but it makes sense.

Yes the 20 pi4 cluster will be better (more points) than one pi4. Not sure the 2GB version is up to it but others will join in and say if it is.

If you can get the cluster up then good. I presume you have the ethernet cables and power cables etc.

Even though I started this thread I don't have a Pi. I was simply exploring the possibility and doing so from the outlook of buy all this.

You already have them for free.
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Just catching up on this VERY interesting thread! Thank you to those other contributors using Raspberry Pi's. I can speak to some of the issues with a collection of Pi's, and I have a question about work load after upgrading these to the recent Bullseye OS release.

First, I have 68 Raspberry Pi's. 20 are 3B+ and the rest are Pi 4's with different amounts of RAM. Almost all of these are used for WCG, and almost all of the work is for OPN1. I have a collection of scripts for managing groups of these, running apt (and apt-friends) to keep the OS up to date and for running other applications with a few Pi's in the cluster. My main interest is in running this miniature data center (the biggest problem is managing the heat!) , and WCG gives me something good to do in my retirement,

My question is have any similar Pi users have noticed a change in system load after upgrading your Raspberry Pi to the recent Bullseye OS release?

Prior to Bullseye (on PiOS Buster) all of these machines reported system loads (the last 3 numbers in response to the uptime command) around 4.0 - that is to be expected with 4 cores each devoting 100% of effort to one work unit. After Bullseye was installed these now report a system load between 6.5 and 8.0. I haven't yet compared the number of work units per day or checked the system temperatures, but I do know that the Pi's are slower to respond to remote ssh commands or remote requests to use boinccmd for status or updates.

Anybody else see anything like this and if so what if anything have you done about it?

Doug (near Chicago)
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After Bullseye was installed these now report a system load between 6.5 and 8.0
Is this good or bad as compared to 4.0. I presume bad since it seems to worry you.

I also presume these 68 Pi's accumulated gradually over time so unfair to ask the cost of the whole mini data centre.

What I am interested in is the overall WCG points (not boinc credits) per day which shows on the overview page when you log in. I really do not worry about the number of WUs done. It is not really a measure. I noticed that since I increased the number of ARPs WUs I do then overall total WUs are down. You only do OPN1 then maybe it is for you.

Since it is cold in Chicago like where I am then I guess the heat is a plus. smile ... well not really in summer.
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BobbyB,

Points: About 264k WCG points per day, 284 years worth. Team stats here: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=BS2MX9XTD2 .

It's an addictive hobby :-)
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