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Re: Need some help here from you CA genuises!

Movieman,

In your first post you said "After two days of running ..." so I assumed that that was all the time the box (installation) had been up. The levelling process takes a number of WUs to sort itself out, so it may not be exactly time dependent. And I certainly don't know the details, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's based on some statistics which are gathered every 12 or 24 hours. Either way, my own feeling is that two days is actually pretty quick to sort out the levelling.

If I misunderstood I'm sorry. And I certainly have no other explanation for what you're seeing.

Not a problem at all..A little history on that machine: It has run since last May with first a pair of 8 core Sandy Bridge E5-2687W's then for a short time a pair of Ivy Bridge 10 core E5-2670 V2's, then a pair of 8 core IB E5-2687W V2's and finally these 12 core IB E5-2697 V2's. Through all that time on one OS install and on the same install of WCG. The output on each type of cpu was always relevant to the others factoring in cores and speed untill day three with the 12 cores. At this point I'm going to say that there are many things I don't know in this world but I'm pretty "up" on what certain cpu's should and shouldn't do in WCG. The software of BOINC and it's design is my weak point but I'm very strong on the hardware end..This just didn't make sense to me and why I posted. There is something weird going on and it's either in the way the server is reacting to those WU I showed or??? That's why I wanted the genius's here to take a look at it. Just so we're clear, I welcome any comments because as I said before, thats how we all learn. If I disagree I will say so but I don't get upset at differing opinions.. biggrin
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Re: Need some help here from you CA genuises!

The stats are running right now, so I cant get to them to do a comparison at the moment, but I have noticed that when I run just the Aids jobs and nothing else, points drop off dramatically compared to any other jobs or combination. It has been like this for years for me, and it is a huge difference.

I think it is something to do with the way that particular project awards points for jobs.

When a new project starts up, I bet my points pick up again.
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Well, if it's the same installation of BOINC (I think I mean the same machine identifier, but I'm uncertain and more than happy to be corrected) then I agree that what you're seeing is strange. Even more so if you have seen the expected increase in performance each time you have upgraded the machine.

I'm probably two floors below the bottom of the barrel I've been scraping, but the only straw I've got left to clutch at is some sort of throttling built into the motherboard. (Good grief, that was really mixing metaphors!)

Is there any chance that there's some sort of (perhaps variable) throttling occurring due to high internal temperatures in the CPU(s)? Or something else along those lines? I would have thought that you would have seen it if you've been playing around trying to optimise things, but I have to ask!

Have you tried asking on your team forum? It sounds like the sort of issue your fellow speed freaks (no disrespect intended) might have fallen over.

I hope you get it sorted out -- it must be very frustrating.
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I looked at the page you posted and the times the WU's are taking. Once again, knowing it is hard to compare different sized WU's, how, on average, do the times for the WU's compare to the previous iterations of CPU's ? This is the fourth set of CPU's and they should be the fastest by far. Now the autodock and the vina jobs would need to be compared separately. On average, how do the times compare for the jobs by processor ?
------------------------------------ Autodock Time ------- Vina Time
Sandy Bridge E5-2687W
Ivy Bridge E5-2670 V2
Ivy Bridge E5-2687W V2
Ivy Bridge E5-2697 V2

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Re: Need some help here from you CA genuises!

A couple of good points have been made, actually along similar lines to my original 4th bullet. You talked about a "constant machine", but that can't really be the case at the moment because FAAH is actually two different apps, VINA and Autodock, and we have no control over which ones we get and when and the mix has been changing over time. These two different apps can behave very differently on different machine architectures. You just might be very unlucky with one of them. But due to the fact that WU complexity is also changing quite erratically at the moment I think you might have some difficulty pinning it down.

But still, it's worth investigating if you still have the historical data needed to generate some stats and you enjoy a challenge. Good luck!
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Well, if it's the same installation of BOINC (I think I mean the same machine identifier, but I'm uncertain and more than happy to be corrected) then I agree that what you're seeing is strange. Even more so if you have seen the expected increase in performance each time you have upgraded the machine.

I'm probably two floors below the bottom of the barrel I've been scraping, but the only straw I've got left to clutch at is some sort of throttling built into the motherboard. (Good grief, that was really mixing metaphors!)

Is there any chance that there's some sort of (perhaps variable) throttling occurring due to high internal temperatures in the CPU(s)? Or something else along those lines? I would have thought that you would have seen it if you've been playing around trying to optimise things, but I have to ask!

Have you tried asking on your team forum? It sounds like the sort of issue your fellow speed freaks (no disrespect intended) might have fallen over.

I hope you get it sorted out -- it must be very frustrating.

same install of BOINC and no throttling..Temps max at 47C

Joe: Times are where they "should be" when you look at the three IB ( same arch) cpu's and factor in the speed..E5-2687W V2's at 3825MHz.. E5-2670 V2 at 3047MHz and E5-2697 at 3226.. Again, this was two solid days at 24-25 WCG PPH/core and then a drop to almost 10PPH/core.. Now I had "guessed that the 2697
s would do app 175,000 PPD vs the 2687W V2's 140,000 so when I saw over 200,000 at first I was surprised but then saw it drop to under 100,000 and stay there and thats when I decided to bring it up here..
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If you look at the WCG global stats, it says that the average PPH of run time for Fight Aids @home = 95.58 and for CEP2 it is 151.04.

That is a huge difference.

Running all CEP2 for a comparison would prolly be a really bad idea on a beast with so many cores like yours Dave.

When a new project appears, I expect your points will rocket upwards.
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Re: Need some help here from you CA genuises!

If you look at the WCG global stats, it says that the average PPH of run time for Fight Aids @home = 95.58 and for CEP2 it is 151.04.

That is a huge difference.

Running all CEP2 for a comparison would prolly be a really bad idea on a beast with so many cores like yours Dave.

When a new project appears, I expect your points will rocket upwards.

I just might try this for sh__ts and giggles.. biggrin
I just might..I have 64 gig of DDR3-1866 ECC REG (8x8 gig) in there but I have another 8 sticks available..That should cover it's needs..
48 CEP WU at once..Now thats worth a good belly laugh! laughing
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Now that is what I call a proper challenge for you ! laughing

If Shistosoma comes back, you could prolly finish the project on your own. laughing The average for that is even higher at 160.23.

Off to my kip. Its really late here.
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Next thought. What is the ratio of completed units (results) per core for each of the cpu's ? This is crude because of the varying lengths of the WU's, but it may tell us something.
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