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Re: smilesmile Join "MyOnlineTeam" Today - Chapter 57 smilesmile

I've read a few disturbing things on here lately, and I feel compelled to say something.

Fox news doesn't suck. They probably have the most unbiased news reporting of anyone. I read a lot of them, I know.
Perhaps the news channel is biased, but that doesn't represent their news. Even their broadcasting says it all, though since no one is even close to them.

Also, to say that Republicans are racists is pure ignorant. Actually, that statement is probably more racist than most republicans are. I am not easily ticked off, but I can't believe that was posted here.

I saved the posts, if anyone needs to read what I am talking about.

There is a good reason we don't talk politics on here. We all have other venues for expressing our disdain.
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Take a look at the proposed platform of the Iowa Republican Party. I would like to see Virginia adopt the same.


Require candidates for president to prove that they are “natural born citizens,” beginning with the 2012 election. After all, non-citizens serving as president have been a longstanding problem in American politics.
Reject the “claims” of global warming, which are “based on fraudulent, inaccurate information” and pushed by people using “extremist scare tactics.” The Iowa GOP “recognizes” that policies and laws designed to combat global warming are really “a plan to take our freedoms and liberties away.”
Oppose “the diabolical collusion of the United Nations” in promoting its Agenda 21, a non-binding global sustainability plan signed by President George H.W. Bush and the leaders of 177 other nations in 1992. Like the Republican National Committee, the Iowa GOP apparently believes Agenda 21 is part of an effort to impose global political control on the U.S.
Eliminate the Federal Reserve Act and implement a “sound commodity-backed currency” with a gold or silver standard.
Fight the North American Union, “which would do away with our borders and sovereignty, and … [battle] the Amero, which would do away with our currency.” Although there actually are no secret plans to merge Mexico, the United States and Canada into a single entity — and replace our dollars with “Ameros” — that hasn’t stopped the conspiracy theorists.
In the same vein, “oppose so-called ‘World Government.’”
Entirely eliminate the departments of Agriculture, Education, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Energy, Interior, Labor and Commerce, along with the Transportation Safety Administration, the Food and Drug Administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Endowment for the Arts, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Likewise, abolish the Internal Revenue Service and repeal the 16th Amendment, which legalized the federal income tax.
Require judges to instruct jurors that in addition to judging cases, they may pass on the law at issue. Commonly known as “jury nullification,” this is a highly controversial notion that is embraced by the radical right.
Pass a “stand your ground” law, like the one that many believe led to the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla. By a large margin, most prosecutors and police oppose such laws, which make prosecuting many killings difficult.
Allow parents to refuse to have their children immunized.
Reject the teaching of multiculturalism.
Only teach evolution as a theory, along with creationism.
Repeal compulsory school attendance laws.
Eliminate the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which oversees job safety.
Repeal smoking bans because, as the platform statement asserts, “We believe this to be an issue of liberty.” Air quality in all businesses should be left up to owners’ “freedom to choose.”
Repeal all hate crime laws.
Oppose the imposition Shariah, or Islamic religious law, in the United States, along with any other foreign or “United Nations Law.”
Build a fence along the entire U.S. border with Mexico.
Oppose abortion and reject the Supreme Court’s decision authorizing it.
Build a fence along the entire U.S. border with Mexico.
End minimum wage laws.
Oppose abortion and reject the Supreme Court’s decision authorizing it. Encourage adoption and aid to unwed mothers — but only if every dollar of support comes from the private sector.
End subsidies to agriculture.
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coffee coffee coffeeGood Morning MOT coffee coffee coffee

Been away for a while.

Congratulations Parmesian, Vuj, smcclarigan, xroule, darth_vader and stonechild!!!!!! applause applause applause applause applause applause

Keith. Thanks for the informative and educational discussion. As you are aware, we all are pulling for you to get this done and get back to normal ASAP. I do appreciate your clarity and I think it was Gerald that said we appreciate all you do for MOT and WCG.

I sincerely doubt that all the political discussion that takes place on these forums, has changed a single mind or even influenced a vote. I suppose that it serves only to make the individual posting feel better (at least in my case). I apologize of my contribution to the polarization; I am just so discouraged by our political situation.

Out of the corner of my eye I caught some movement as I was typing the above paragraph. I turned to look and watched a blue-jay trying to intimidate a rabbit away from the corn that I spread for the deer. Funny, the rabbit jumped at the Jay after the Jay made a couple of fake jumps at the rabbit. The showdown is now over, the rabbit was victorious; I suppose there is a lesson in there; not sure what it is though. smile

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power
Reality check: When the power grid goes down, all grid-tie solar systems will go down with it
NaturalNews) A lot of people believe they are becoming "power independent" by installing grid-tie solar systems, but what many don't realize is that virtually all such systems are designed to actively go offline when the power grid goes offline.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036194_solar_system_grid-tie_power_grid.html

I am hoping that I have a work-around for that.
All I need to do is supply 220v to my panel, somehow, and the inverter will turn back on.
I'm thinking my little portable generator will do just fine. I can split that 110 line to both of the 110v legs on the house, and throw the breakers to the utility.
I just hope I never have to try it.


Chris, this is doable. I've done it. I have a 6500W generator with both 110 and 220 output that I can plug into. What I did was go down to the local home improvement store and tell them I was making a 220V extention cord. The "cord" is about 3/4ths on an inch thick and long enough to reach from the generator outside into the house to a 220V plug, in my case the plug for the kitchen stove. The plugs on this "extention cord" are huge as well (make sure you get the right ones, ie, male/female). When needed, I cut the main power breaker. That way, nothing from my generator can flow back out of the house to the power lines (keeps the utility happy). I pull out the stove and unplug it and plug my extention cord in to its 220 receptacle in the wall. The other end plugs into the generator. I crank it up and I have power to the whole house. I do go back to the fusebox and cut the breakers for stuff I won't be using. The main thing is to not try to pull more current from the generator than it can provide. That tends to trip a breaker on the generator. An electrician could easily set you up with the proper permanent installation.

Thanks, Keith.
I kind of suspected this would work.
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I kind of suspected this would work.

If you have an electric dryer and don't want to wrestle with the stove you can always plug your 220 cord in there. Like Keith said, just make sure you cut the main breaker that feeds your house off so you're not powering the neighborhood. biggrin
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I am hoping that I have a work-around for that.
All I need to do is supply 220v to my panel, somehow, and the inverter will turn back on.
I'm thinking my little portable generator will do just fine. I can split that 110 line to both of the 110v legs on the house, and throw the breakers to the utility.
I just hope I never have to try it.


I think you end up killing few people...

I'm something like engineer so can count a little a bit...
If this article is correct, then you have three phase electricity on USA.. I'm €urotrash myself tongue

So it means that there is three live wire and one ground...

---- L1
---- L2
---- L3
---- N

Now, currency between live wires (L1/L2/L3) and ground (N) is 110V.
Currency between live wires (L1<->L2<->L3) is 220V.

So if you have 110V generator, then it is most probably creating one phase current (N+L1).
If it is three phase generator(N+L1+L2+L3), then currency between live wire and ground is 63V..

There is no way that you can "split" 110V to 220V.
This two leg is probably L1+N and L2+N, so there is 110V on one phase sockets (N+L1 / N+L2) and 220V on two phase (L1+L2+N) sockets.

And most important item at all....
What ever you make if you are not sure, make sure that your building has been permanently removed from public grid...
This is because live of another peoples....
Transformers are working both ways, so if there is power companies dudes on pole which they have isolate from power plant side, they will become electrocuted on very long distance, because tiny transmitter next to you (few thousand volt or something) will start to push that bigger currency to network to some very long distance if it receive juice from you.
So please, if you do not know what you are doing here, then please first apply CAT and TNT method your own grid cable...

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After some study, you actually have this "leg" system in USA..
So it is not three phase, it is one phase transformed to bigger voltage...
So that you can produce with single phase generator, you just need to buy transformer like on fig1...
I recommend that you buy generator that can create legged output directly if you do not know exactly what to do..

This leg system something that I have never seem here on Europe.
To be honest, I cannot understand function of this because total power is still same, or actually even lesser because transformer will loose (turn to heat) few percent on this process....
Article says that this will safe some copper, sure it might but loose at least four percent electricity....
I guess this lost is something that consumer does not pay biggrin
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I am no DoubleE myself but ... ultimaThule says two things that I think are very important:

That is that a single phase split into two 110s do not make a 220. I think, from what little I remember you can ruin a 220 device by trying to run it on 2 110s that are of the same phase...pretty sure about that...

So, make sure that you do not try to run a 220 device on that split 110 from the generator and the other point about making sure that you don't connect back to the grid is Ultra important. You don't want linemen thinking a line is dead and findinging that your 110 has been transformered back up to transmission line voltages (deadly for sure).

Perhaps everyone already knew this and perhaps I am not entirely correct but great caution should be exercised.

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I've read a few disturbing things on here lately, and I feel compelled to say something.

Fox news doesn't suck. They probably have the most unbiased news reporting of anyone. I read a lot of them, I know.
Perhaps the news channel is biased, but that doesn't represent their news. Even their broadcasting says it all, though since no one is even close to them.

Also, to say that Republicans are racists is pure ignorant. Actually, that statement is probably more racist than most republicans are. I am not easily ticked off, but I can't believe that was posted here.

I saved the posts, if anyone needs to read what I am talking about.

There is a good reason we don't talk politics on here. We all have other venues for expressing our disdain.

My apologies, everyone. I was in a grumpy mood last night.
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I am no DoubleE myself but ... ultimaThule says two things that I think are very important:

That is that a single phase split into two 110s do not make a 220. I think, from what little I remember you can ruin a 220 device by trying to run it on 2 110s that are of the same phase...pretty sure about that...

So, make sure that you do not try to run a 220 device on that split 110 from the generator and the other point about making sure that you don't connect back to the grid is Ultra important. You don't want linemen thinking a line is dead and findinging that your 110 has been transformered back up to transmission line voltages (deadly for sure).

Perhaps everyone already knew this and perhaps I am not entirely correct but great caution should be exercised.

Everyone have a great day.

I was just looking for a way to trick my inverter into thinking there is utility power, causing it to turn back on.
But since the two phases are offset by half a cycle, there goes my idea.
I suppose I could get a generator like Keith that already supplies 220v.
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I kind of suspected this would work.

If you have an electric dryer and don't want to wrestle with the stove you can always plug your 220 cord in there. Like Keith said, just make sure you cut the main breaker that feeds your house off so you're not powering the neighborhood. biggrin


Nano, I'm intrigued as you must have one heck of a hair dryer. There's no way I could physically plug my 220 cord into anything that's not a 220 receptacle. The plug's at least two to two and a half times as big as any 110 plug and the prongs are arranged in a circle. I'm no electrician but I understand a 220 line is wired differently though it may still be a three wire line. I understand that it's possible to have a generator connected to where it kicks on automatically during an outage but that requires some work by an electrician and uses what's called a transfer switch to connect the power from your generator to those specific circuits you want supplied. As I understand it, a generator that only has 110 output cannot power any 220 devices (typically a/c, furnace, and the like). It also needs to have enough wattage to supply the demand possible on the circuits it will connect to. Anyone wanting to do something like this should definitely talk to an electrician first.
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