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Re: To all at /. and TW

I feel it is time to add my 2 cents.

Graham --
That was an excellent post!
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PS - Graham, don't you think that it is awfully cruel of you to invite the unsuspecting to the "snake pit" without at least some kind of warning first? biggrin


sad Hi Julied
confused It is those kind of remarks that stop me from having any faith in what you have to say in the forums
I had a bet this morning that you could not resist reiterating facts that you have already beaten to death
As usual you are running true to form
I would observe your last comment as a rather cynical remark coming from someone who feels the need to voice his negative opinions, invited or not, at every given opportunity that may arise.
You certainly are a dramatist, Julied
It might help to look on the bright side and consider the fact that we are doing tremendously well considering all the issues that keep arising from impatient members
These are being addressed as we speak and every effort is being made to release the updates as soon as is humanly possible
wink So please give your mouth a rest for once and try to enjoy the experience here in the forums

I've been trying very hard to find a way to do just that, Graham.

To say that you distorted the meaning of my last post, would be a gross understatement. In fact, my last comment was quite obviously intended to be a warm and friendly "inside" joke, without even the slightest trace of malice or sarcasm directed towards anyone.

Instead of hearing the post for what it really said, you somehow managed to interpret it completely out of context. That's really too bad.

But since it's silence that you want, gentlemen, then consider it done.
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But since it's silence that you want, gentlemen, then consider it done.


Not everyone agrees that silence is desirable. I'm a short timer and not a history buff but your comments always seem to point out an alternative view of the issues that should not be dismissed.

Hoping that this is a bit of drama and not a permanent conditon!

"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
- John Lord Morley
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Time for this tired old fart to add his 2 cents....amd I really dont care who I offend.....



Careful, Harvey, you're liable to start a fan club.

Not that you give a crap. But that's exactly why I'd join it. wink



Having fun?



At least I am not preached at where I am and I enjoy crunching with a dose of humour occasionally. Being a Canadian and having roamed thru the UK....... I have to wonder what makes some pommies so pompous.

I remember certain deleted posts on this board when TW first came on board.

I had looked at joining MOT, but those deleted posts rang alarm bells in my little head and I sat back and watches the frolics and settled with Dark Chocolate... a small friendly team that doesnt have /. envy or a tendency to preach and think that they own the grid.

Maybe one day after new projects are announced we can start a new Team.... If the politically correct admins permit a team name like .... "I dont give a Darn"



Waits now for the Toungue Troopers to Edit the message.....

(I don't give a Darn is a fine name for a team. biggrin - nelsoc)
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PS - Graham, don't you think that it is awfully cruel of you to invite the unsuspecting to the "snake pit" without at least some kind of warning first? biggrin


sad Hi Julied
confused It is those kind of remarks that stop me from having any faith in what you have to say in the forums
I had a bet this morning that you could not resist reiterating facts that you have already beaten to death
As usual you are running true to form
I would observe your last comment as a rather cynical remark coming from someone who feels the need to voice his negative opinions, invited or not, at every given opportunity that may arise.
You certainly are a dramatist, Julied
It might help to look on the bright side and consider the fact that we are doing tremendously well considering all the issues that keep arising from impatient members
These are being addressed as we speak and every effort is being made to release the updates as soon as is humanly possible
wink So please give your mouth a rest for once and try to enjoy the experience here in the forums

I've been trying very hard to find a way to do just that, Graham.

To say that you distorted the meaning of my last post, would be a gross understatement. In fact, my last comment was quite obviously intended to be a warm and friendly "inside" joke, without even the slightest trace of malice or sarcasm directed towards anyone.

Instead of hearing the post for what it really said, you somehow managed to interpret it completely out of context. That's really too bad.

But since it's silence that you want, gentlemen, then consider it done.

biggrin"No!" my friend, you have taken my; dry sense of humour, out of context and become defensive,
Julied, how did you possibly miss the wink
Here are three more so you don’t miss the point this time wink wink wink
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However, it appears that the bottom line is now clear. Apparently it had long ago been decided that this Forum was designed to function strictly as a technically oriented support site; a source of information dissemination; and as a recruitment tool for corporate WCG - and nothing else.

julied -- In a sense, this statement isn't too far from the mark. When the WCG started up, the following forums were present:
1. Member News
2. Start Here: Community-maintained FAQs [read only]
3. The New Members Forum
4. Member-to-Member Support
5. Suggestions / Feedback
6. Teams
Pretty much oriented to technical support as you say.

Best regards,
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This thread is ticking along nicely and the incline on both TW and /.'s stats seems to have leveled out. That number crunching is worth saving.

Dave
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biggrin"No!" my friend, you have taken my; dry sense of humour, out of context and become defensive,
Julied, how did you possibly miss the wink
Here are three more so you don’t miss the point this time wink wink wink

Darn you, Graham, I'm not a Brit! wink Yes, you definitely pulled the wool over my eyes - right down to my ankles. And while I still can not feret out the humorous tone in that post, I'm very grateful to have been duly enlightened. biggrin

This may sound strange (so what else is new), but I am rather glad that this misunderstanding took place. It serves to illustrate that we can take chances on the Internet; make mistakes; and have it all work out for the best.

If only we didn't ALL take ourselves so seriously. Life would be so much more interesting, and a hell of a lot more fun.

Controversy is great. Personalizing it is retarded.

Still, the "powers that be" appear to be committed to maintaining a virtually pure technical support site. Unfortunately, that holds little interest for people like myself. While I reserve the right to post from time to time, at this point it is only my CPU that will be maintaining an ongoing dialogue with WCG.

Good luck with your efforts, my friend. Perhaps we will bump into each other at the "snake pit." wink peace

(This post has been edited for profanity - nelsoc)
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However, it appears that the bottom line is now clear. Apparently it had long ago been decided that this Forum was designed to function strictly as a technically oriented support site; a source of information dissemination; and as a recruitment tool for corporate WCG - and nothing else.

julied -- In a sense, this statement isn't too far from the mark. When the WCG started up, the following forums were present:
1. Member News
2. Start Here: Community-maintained FAQs [read only]
3. The New Members Forum
4. Member-to-Member Support
5. Suggestions / Feedback
6. Teams
Pretty much oriented to technical support as you say.

Best regards,

Thanks, Dave. That really WAS my point. I just sat down and thought about the ongoing conflagulation vis-a-vis the WCG Forum. It simply boiled down to this one observation.

Since as you say, this is an accurate description, it only follows that this is the Forum's "mission statement." If so, then no matter how positive a member's motivations may be, nothing is going to change.

Therefore, I see no point in creating unnecessary conflict. I for one would prefer to simple accept it and move on from here.

This does not mean that I agree with this decision. It only acknowledges the reality of the situation and the inevitable limitations that this imposes.

I do appreciate your post, Dave, as it helps to put an end to this non-productive debate once and for all.
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But since it's silence that you want, gentlemen, then consider it done.


Not everyone agrees that silence is desirable. I'm a short timer and not a history buff but your comments always seem to point out an alternative view of the issues that should not be dismissed.

Hoping that this is a bit of drama and not a permanent conditon!

"You have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
- John Lord Morley

Thank you for volunteering your views on this matter, DAJ. Unfortunately, it is not just drama as you have undoubtedly discerned from the last several posts.

Your point as to my presenting alternative points of view made me laugh in agreement. I'd say that was one good way of putting it. Anyhow, it seems as though you also possess a curious and open mind. You might enjoy the following recent post I wrote.

But first the background. The internet forum debate revolved around the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. The thread title was: "The Palestinians Don't Want Peace." As you can imagine, the debate was heated. It was also, to my surprise, fairly well documented.

So, this went on for some time before I made the following post. Since I had already recently posted a particular reference article that the other posters had already read before I posted, I have included the URL for your reference. It is an article written by a leader of the US Muslim Community. If you are interested in "a different point of view." first read the reference article and then read my post. I think that you will find it entertaining.

A word of warning. The article and the post together are a bit lengthy. You just might want to grab a cup of coffee before embarking on this expedition. wink

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:d5crhvao...+Wahhabi+Israel&hl=en

Most of the above posts are based upon geopolitical considerations. Geopolitical dynamics have a logical internal structure. By using geopolitical reasoning, both sides to this conflict can mount and sustain a completely valid argument to support their position.

Compromise agreements which allow for the division of contested valued and limited resources are the standard tools used to resolve geopolitical conflicts. By applying geopolitical logic to the Palestinian conflict, we are mistakenly applying the right logic to the wrong problem.

The current Palestinian/Israeli crisis not a geopolitical conflict: It is a religious/ethnic conflict. This is more properly called internecine warfare. It exists when any group perceives that the continued physical existence of any other group poses an imminent threat to their own biological survival.

It is an historical fact that internecine warfare is the most irrational and persistent of all intra-species human conflicts. Unfortunately, it appears to be rooted in some primitive biological imperative which is as fundamental to our species as is the genetic code that causes us to be born with 2 legs. It is endemic throughout our planet. Africa is a chilling case in point.

Furthermore, our species has obviously evolved some powerful biological mechanism which allows, or compels, the human being to temporarily subvert or suspend all other faculties and drives (reasoning, morality, etc.) when faced with the perceived threat of annihilation or assimilation by other competing ethnic/religious groups.

Typically the internecine struggle continues until one group achieves total dominance, either through the complete destruction and/or genetic assimilation (really the same thing), of all competing factions.

Occasionally internecine conflict can be halted when it becomes evident to one or more groups involved in the struggle that only through the termination of hostilities can they themselves avoid inevitable annihilation. These forced compromises, however, usually only last as long as it takes for any sufficiently powerful competing group to exploit a perceived advantage to resume hostilities: Or, until the then dominant group no longer perceives the other competing groups are as a threat to their own survival. Gradual genetic assimilation is then often used to complete the annihilation process.

It is important to realize that it takes only one group to act on the belief that the continued existence of some other competing faction(s) constitutes an imminent threat to their biological survival, to initiate and sustain internecine warfare.

While there has been cultural and ethnic hostility in this area for millennia, the dynamics have changed. As pointed out in the earlier post by the Muslim leader here in the US, the Wahhabi influence on Islamic culture has produced a religious/cultural doctrine within many Muslim countries in which internecine warfare is an official religious and moral imperative. This one single factor has transformed the traditional historical geopolitical conflict into the present internecine conflict. When viewed from this perspective, the failure to find a viable compromise solution should come as no surprise to anyone.

This argument has nothing to do with the geopolitical or humanitarian tragedy that plagues the historic region known as Palestine. Innocent civilians of both sides are always caught in the carnage. Internecine struggle assumes, by definition, that there are no innocent civilians. Inevitably, very real blame will always be justifiably leveled against all sides to the conflict.

Any potentially viable and permanent solution to this conflict must offer a resolution to all of the underlying dynamics which fuel this ongoing humanitarian nightmare. This will never happen until we first recognize that our current naïve geopolitical understanding of this conflict is fundamentally limited and flawed.

How's that for an alternative point of view, DAJ? peace
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