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Re: I want to build a computer for BOINC

I think at this stage the original question has been answered well enough, and in my opinion it does not involve an expensive server based system for a newcomer. Especially one that could be matched by a single socket system before the end of the year, or early next year. Multi-socket servers are an oddity, and for most they are really not useful. Some people argue that they are confined by space, but two small systems don't take up much more room than a multi-socket server; they tend to be Extended ATX2 FF. Their real benefit is longevity - servers are designed to run continuously, at or near flat out for years. However, even that is flawed; you could buy two good systems now and replace them after a year for less, and still do more work. Given that some even require two PSU's, andzgrid's point is quite valid, and something I normally preach when contributing to GPU projects. On that note, we are likely to see a GPU project soon, so advising to over-invest in a server now is totally folly.

So, to summarize:
Get a SB CPU, a good PSU, motherboard, and 4GB or 8GB RAM. Set it up for Linux and await a GPU project.
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My server board has a ATI 6950 running just fine now. You give the impression server boards can not use the latest gpu's. If so, your wrong.
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Walk THEN run? Oh, my! What rock have you been hiding under for the past thirty years? That's not the way it's done nowadays.

I will FIRST have to do some spectralAnalysis of the rock that you're refering to before I can have a definitive answer as to the type of the rock. I think they call the rock type as "reality" and we have plenty of that here on planet Earth. It is with that type of rock that makes "run THEN walk" as something that makes no sense to us humans here as "learn-to-walk-first-before-running" makes you and you kind go for an expert (in what, delusion?).. from, planet, what?
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My server board has a ATI 6950 running just fine now. You give the impression server boards can not use the latest gpu's. If so, your wrong.
I don't think I gave any such impression - I said nothing to that effect.
If any system has a PCIEx16 slot then it should support most GPU's, assuming you have a compatible operating system (one that there is a driver for) and you have a sufficient PSU to power a multi socket motherboard and the PSU.

The point was, a GPU project is expected here quite soon and the OP was also interested in a GPU. A GPU normally does many times more work than a CPU, so given that I think it is very poor advice to over-invest in an expensive and unbalanced system?

Get a good efficient SB system with a good PSU, and a motherboard with 2 well spaced PCIE slots now and wait until we know how different GPU's perform, then buy a good one. Such a system would cost much less, do much more work and be future proofed.

There is simply no point in getting a dual skt CPU system now when we will be able to add two or more GPU's to the one standard system (each of which should be able to do much more work). So my advice for newcomers is don't invest in a dual socket CPU system now.
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Hi skgiven,
I agree with your recommendation. For starting to participate to Grid-computing projects, a good (and affordable) single CPU system is fully sufficient. If, in the future, such system could be expanded with one GPU is better but not mandatory.
My indication regarding a system based on two Magny-Cours was more focused on "experienced crunchers". Participating to WCG projects does not require to have powerful systems. As soon as a member notices that S/He has fun and time and money for doing more, more powerful systems could be interesting. But again, WCG is not expecting that people invest a lot of money for supporting projects. The primary idea is to use unused CPU power, not to invest in more (and expensive) additional power.
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OK, my understanding of all answers here is that a GPU system would give me a greater points/watt ratio and seems to be easier to set up. That's what I wanted. Do we have a prediction for these GPU projects?
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OK, my understanding of all answers here is that a GPU system would give me a greater points/watt ratio and seems to be easier to set up. That's what I wanted. Do we have a prediction for these GPU projects?


Roberto,
I would suggest you don't invest in GPU's, if you intend dedicate your rig exclusively to run WCG projects.

There isn't any WCG project today in conditions to use it, and probably won't in short future. I wonder if WCG tech team post something here, that point us all to a clear and real distinct direction from that...

So, GPU investment just to dedicated this resource to WCG projects, by now, will be a money lost and an frustation. And, with the technology available today to build computers, which for sure fit in your budget, you could invest on GPU's to install in your rig in the future, if and when WCG will announce a project using GPU's powerful capabilities...

Up to you and good luck in your decisions. wink cool good luck
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Do we have any hint as to whether WCG is more likely to go with Nvidia or AMD for its first GPU science? I vaguely remember hearing OpenCL, so maybe both?

For someone who wants to do both CPU and AMD-based GPU crunching, the new Llano desktop chips might be worth a look. They have moderately fast CPUs, and their integrated GPUs can crunch single-precision ATI projects.
Their CPU/GPU bang per watt is impressive.

I am guessing here, as I do not have direct experience with Llano, and I have not read anything about its crunching ability.

However, I do have a netbook with Llano's baby brother chip, the E-350. I sometimes have it crunch -- WCG on the CPU, Collatz on the GPU. It's not fast (I mean, it's a netbook!), but it can do the job at a very low power draw. The Llano desktops should be way faster on both the CPU and GPU side, and would have the potential to offer high points/watts. Ubuntu 11.04 has drivers for the Fusion chips.
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roberto, Get a good efficient system now (a Sandy Bridge), with a good PSU (Corsair, or similar, with 2 GPU power connectors), and a motherboard with 2 well spaced PCIE slots.
In the near future when there is an active GPU project and when we know how different GPU's perform, then buy a good performing and afordable GPU.
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Re: I want to build a computer for BOINC

I want to build a computer for BOINC, but I don't know how to start. BOINC will be the only thing it will run in its lifetime. What architecture should I look for? Should it be focused on CPU or GPU?
My main requirement is best performance/watt. Second requirement is hardware cost.

If you're going to run non-WCG BOINC projects, there's no need to wait on buying a GPU if the current BOINC projects that support it interest you.
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