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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

Skygiven
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I am not Skygiven. I am skgiven,


If you are genuinely sorry, you can correct a typo.

Manufacturing a new PC costs energy too, so if the expected live extension is 1 year, what's there to not have a little extra crunch before final destination landfill?
It would be interesting to see an energy chart for production of old components vs new components. An energy cost for transport would be useful too; In the EU many products move between countries during production to avoid tax, and gain government grants. The total energy used per device lifetime probably depends a lot on production and shipping. I like to sell on used components when they are still worth something, and to buy more energy efficient components. If you just need to check your email once a day, the electric cost is not an issue, but if you crunch it's always good to upgrade. Perhaps it would be a good idea to buy hardware from more energy efficient manufacturers, but finding such info is difficult. Try implementing a green policy. While the EU is keen on creating disposal laws, it's stance on green manufacturing is slippery. Energy consumption is definitely a bigger problem than the cost at the wall.
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Government is the cause of the problem, not the cure it's lauded to be the charlatans.

Suppose you own a city block, and use it to grow carrots. You'd need a licence, inevitably. And you'd be liable to pay innumerable fees, charges, levies, rates and taxes. Fees for the garbage to be theoretically collected, fees for the electricity to be supplied and the water provided and taken away - even if you don't use these services, you pay for having them available. You'd have to pay for a government inspector to monitor that you employ a socially-acceptable mix of carrot-pickers, by sex, race, religion, age, sexual preference - almost anything other than skill at carrot-picking.

Then you'd have to employ a nurse in case your carrot-pickers got sick or injured themselves while at work. And your carrot-packing facilities would have to comply with a tome of regulations governing layout, colours and locations of painted lines and handrails that everyone ignores anyway, and you would be responsible for training on any machinery you use. If a worker get injured using machinery on which they are not trained, even if you have issued them with specific instructions to not use that machine, then you are responsible for that, too.

Now - how much do you have to charge for your carrots to make a sufficient profit to put the food on your own table, after paying the inevitable taxes on your sales and have paid for the accountant to tell the government all this, along with all of the useless and irrelevant statistics on which they insist?

Remember - the taxes paid depends on SOCIETY'S assessment of the value of the land - essentially what revenue the government and "entrepreneurs" could derive if your carrot-patch was replaced by a skyscraper.

The point is that the politicians take no risk at all, but demand the first share of any profit that's made AND the "right" to dictate terms and conditions. They are free in the public mind to denigrate employers who farm out jobs to countries with a less intrusive bureaucracy as traitorous exploiters of low-cost workers when it is government itself that is adding the extra cost to ingratiate itself with the electorate.

Mahatma Ghandi wrote his "Seven Blunders of the World"
* Wealth without work
* Pleasure without conscience
* Knowledge without character
* Commerce without morality
* Science without humanity
* Worship without sacrifice
* Politics without principle

His grandson, Arun added the all-important eighth
* Rights without responsibilities
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My point is more to the fact that there are some people who have no trouble dropping several hundred dollars on a new video card for crunching or a whole new i7 like it was nothing and then justify how much they save on electricity by paying these hundreds up front. That is wonderful if you have hundreds up front. But, if you have a free system and can afford the electricity, then you are doing SOME good and are not running a hundred bucks in a month. I'm guessing a half year or more in most places. If I only had one computer in use and an old one in the closet, I wouldn't spend the money for a new i7 when I could just use what I got. Now, if I were designing a farm or had the luxury of upgrading whenever I felt like it, by all means endulge. I think too many crunchers take for granted how broke the majority of people are in this economy. Telling people to upgrade to several hundreds of dollars to save a few cents each month is like telling people to put solar panels on their roof in a place that gets small levels of prime sunlight. It just takes too much time to see that savings.

Edit: And none of this is based on how many WU's I can get out or the number of points, rather whether one can afford the system(s) in question. If I had a choice between a free legacy PC or a free top of the line, I would totally jump on the free top of the line. It would obviously give more results. The bottom line is what you can afford.
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My point is more to the fact that there are some people who have no trouble dropping several hundred dollars on a new video card for crunching or a whole new i7 like it was nothing and then justify how much they save on electricity by paying these hundreds up front. That is wonderful if you have hundreds up front. But, if you have a free system and can afford the electricity, then you are doing SOME good and are not running a hundred bucks in a month. I'm guessing a half year or more in most places. If I only had one computer in use and an old one in the closet, I wouldn't spend the money for a new i7 when I could just use what I got. Now, if I were designing a farm or had the luxury of upgrading whenever I felt like it, by all means endulge. I think too many crunchers take for granted how broke the majority of people are in this economy. Telling people to upgrade to several hundreds of dollars to save a few cents each month is like telling people to put solar panels on their roof in a place that gets small levels of prime sunlight. It just takes too much time to see that savings.

Edit: And none of this is based on how many WU's I can get out or the number of points, rather whether one can afford the system(s) in question. If I had a choice between a free legacy PC or a free top of the line, I would totally jump on the free top of the line. It would obviously give more results. The bottom line is what you can afford.


Point well taken. smile

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