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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

Yeah, you're right - it's 6h, but I did say around, and I doubt that a 700MHz system is going to make the 60% mark in 7h let alone 6.
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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

I can say that I dragged a Pentium P4 2.4 GHz out of the closet last year, but put it back after a week.

My three year old Mac mini put out ten times (!) more points than the P4, and the P4 used three times the energy and made something like three times the noise.

I decided it was simply not worth the bother.

But your decision is obviously your own. If you're unsure, trying it out certainly can't hurt smile
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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

AFAIAA, HCMD2 targets 6hrs CPU time before returning results. If the job is at least 60% complete at the 6hrs CPU mark, the limit is extended to 12hrs CPU.

Given AVERAGE use and OS overhead, I see 7hrs wall-clock as a fair estimate - certainly more digestible the the full story with all the caveats and disclaimers.
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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

I used to run several P II's and PIII's of various flavors and gradually retired them when they broke and because they took so long to do a WU. The smallest project was the Genome project on which they did OK. At some point in time you do have to consider the cost of electricity. Right now I have three 1.6 ghz P4's which do OK on HCMD2 and HCC. They will run in excess of 40 hours on some HFCC jobs. I could resurrect the older machines but I don't think the electrical cost would be worth the effort. I guess you make a choice between saving some money on electricity, and then buying newer, more efficient equipment or running with old stuff and paying the electric bill. To each his own.

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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

I kinda disagree with skgiven on the cost issue. If you already have a device and can afford to put it to use, then it is worth using.


Yes and No. For me the issue is not if you own already the equipment or not. It is what you are doing with it that counts. If it is a device you use daily for personal work or other taks, then fine, when unused switch to WCG. But if the idea is to run exclusively 24/7 WCG then the ratio WU/watt would be terrible. If you live in a region of the world were energy cost is minimal fine, but if you have high costs then simply do a small calculation and maybe you can afford a low cost more recent system with the difference in energy consumption.
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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

A slow box on HCMD is wasting your wingmans time, if you complete 10% of a job in 6 hrs and he completes the job in 8 hrs, the only part that counts is your 10%, everything else is reissued as child wu.
I recently retired a PIII-600, was ok to crunch when it had a purpose besides crunching, once that purpose ended so did its usefullness. I ran FAAH and HFCC in 35-60 Hrs and HCC in 12, but what it did counted and did not detract from anything my wingman had done
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I share your opinions about usefulness. While I do have a few powerful crunching systems, any lesser systems I have are either being used or they don'€™t even get attached. There is no way I could stomach using a computer that does 5% the work of an i7 but uses half the electric. My fence sitter is the IC2D laptop; it only crunches when in use, which varies in frequency. I do keep an eye on it and let it run for a few hours at least once a week.

If you only have one or two computers then I can see the attraction of adding another device, however I just would not be able to get away from the idea of replacing 3 devices with one that does more work and costs less to run.
The more you crunch, the more important efficiency becomes.

This is an example of one system returning a HCMD2 result after completing about ¼ the amount another system:
INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning.
Finishing early because max runtime has been exceeded.21780.406250
called boinc_finish

CMD2_ 1435-1IW0_ B.clustersOccur-1FLT_ W.clustersOccur_ 1_ 62094_ 65747_ 1-- 615 Valid 05/02/11 10:16:45 07/02/11 00:31:10 6.00 103.9 / 101.0
CMD2_ 1435-1IW0_ B.clustersOccur-1FLT_ W.clustersOccur_ 1_ 62094_ 65747_ 0-- 615 Valid 05/02/11 10:16:38 05/02/11 20:53:19 6.05 27.5 / 28.3

In this case most of the task will have to be resent; both were cut off at 6h, so both only completed part of the task. Got to be very messy for the server.

This is an example of one finishing and a wingman only getting about 20% through the task,

CMD2_ 1379-1GR0_ A.clustersOccur-2BAQ_ A.clustersOccur_ 6_ 55258_ 57131_ 1-- 614 Valid 28/01/11 08:55:15 07/02/11 05:28:50 8.68 71.8 / 105.4
CMD2_ 1379-1GR0_ A.clustersOccur-2BAQ_ A.clustersOccur_ 6_ 55258_ 57131_ 0-- 614 Valid 28/01/11 08:50:49 29/01/11 21:01:23 6.02 25.9 / 19.6

There seems to be a lot of lesser computers attached to the HCMD2 project. A good thing in that it allows lesser computers to be used at WCG, but I have my doubts about the merits of this for the projects servers. I can'€™t see this being the norm for any new project.
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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

Since HCMD2 uses CPU matching on top of platform matching to achieve fairly equal wingman performance, that could not be an all to common occurrence, but eventually if a fitting wingman is not found, the result will be send out to any platform equal wingman to not hold up batch progress or distributor clogging. In that knreed/uplinger may want to visit the CPU matching table again based on this result report and see if one escaped placement of that CPU in it's proper matrix slot.

What can be stomached and what can be afforded is all personal, to go without saying. I've got a P4-HT SFF sitting idle, simply because we don't have 6 cents per Kwh power, else it would run. Manufacturing a new PC costs energy too, so if the expected live extension is 1 year, what's there to not have a little extra crunch before final destination landfill? The originator of this thread seemd to prefer FAAH specifically, so that can be done easily with a 10 day deadline, long as it makes enough hours in the day (or night as power here is 11 EURO cents cheaper between 19:01 and 06:59 + weekends.)

To each her/his own.
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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

Another factor to consider is the cost of air conditioning . . .

Legacy hardware might make sense in February but not so much in August.
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Re: 700 Mhz G4 - worth the effort?

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Any long task failures would become very noticeable. I would not crunch with a 700MHz system because the return for the cost of electric would be very poor (performance per Watt). HCMD2 would be the best project to run, should you decide to crunch with it; fixed maximum time (around 7h), low system requirements (64 MB RAM, 50 MB disk space), and the least bandwidth requirements (per task).


Also remember that HCMD2 also ,in my experience, checkpionts the most often

PS:sorry for the bad spelling

Edit sorry for the typo skgiven
I am really sorry.I hope you took no offence. crying
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