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Former Member
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Aber da ich nicht weiss wo bei mir diese Datei ist und ich nix verstellen will (never change a running system) lass ich es so. nicht für ein paar Betas. Die Diskussion über den Sinn von so enormen Anforderungen hatten wir ja schon. Sehe ich auch so, 79Tommi. Es ist halt auch noch so, daß diese "Anforderungen" nicht realistisch sind. Jedenfalls nicht bei den von meinem PC in den letzten 4 Jahren (24/7) erbrachten Ergebnissen. Daß diese Ergebnisse all die Jahre von WCG im Beta Bereich erwünscht waren, zeigt ja auch wohl der silberne Batch dafür an. Das ist ja wohl heutzutage nicht mehr der Fall. "Honi soit qui mal y pense". Wie auch immer, "abgehoben" von der Basis. Teammitglied 79Tommi stimme ich auch darin zu, daß eine Diskussion über dieses "Verfahren" der Beta-Verteilung inzwischen sinnlos und eine Änderung wohl nicht zu erwarten ist Um WCG von "unsinnigen" Anfragen nach Beta Wu´s meinerseits zu entlasten, werde ich in den nächsten 4 Wochen während eines Auslandsaufenthaltes zum Ersten mal meinen PC hier zu Hause abschalten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich wieder wie gewohnt für WCG weitermachen. Freundliche Grüße Bis dahin Tschüss (Das kalte Wetter hier ist nicht für mich gemacht). PS: Da ich nur über geringe Englischkenntnisse verfüge, kann ich das obige Statement leider nicht im "Internationalen Forum" einstellen. aber würde ja selbst dann keine "Einsicht" bei den Verantwortlichen befördern. Jetzt tue ich es doch." [Edit 4 times, last edit by Former Member at Oct 23, 2010 10:41:59 AM] |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2977 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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The one Beta WU I got, is now in PV - although copies 0, 2 & 3 have errored out...
----------------------------------------Workunit Status Project Name: Beta - The Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Created: 22/10/10 Name: BETA_E200515_657_A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06 Minimum Quorum: 2 Replication: 2 Result Name App Version Number Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit BETA_ E200515_ 657_ A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06_ 4-- - In Progress 23/10/10 08:55:50 25/10/10 08:55:50 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ E200515_ 657_ A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06_ 3-- 633 Error 23/10/10 08:54:44 23/10/10 08:55:45 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ E200515_ 657_ A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06_ 2-- 633 Error 23/10/10 08:53:22 23/10/10 08:54:34 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ E200515_ 657_ A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06_ 0-- 633 Error 22/10/10 21:42:43 23/10/10 08:53:10 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ E200515_ 657_ A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06_ 1-- 633 Pending Validation 22/10/10 21:42:38 23/10/10 10:00:36 11.37 230.1 / 0.0 <- mine The errors are all the same, with <core_client_version>6.2.28</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <message> CreateProcess() failed - This application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling the application may fix this problem. (0x36b1) </message> ]]> whilst my log shows; Result Name: BETA_ E200515_ 657_ A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06_ 1-- <core_client_version>6.10.58</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning. [22:55:22] Number of jobs = 16 [22:55:22] Starting job 0,CPU time has been restored to 0.000000. [22:58:10] Finished Job #0 [22:58:10] Starting job 1,CPU time has been restored to 155.517397. [23:06:50] Finished Job #1 [23:06:50] Starting job 2,CPU time has been restored to 660.445834. [00:26:01] Finished Job #2 [00:26:01] Starting job 3,CPU time has been restored to 5359.507956. [00:35:25] Finished Job #3 [00:35:25] Starting job 4,CPU time has been restored to 5904.045046. [00:41:49] Finished Job #4 [00:41:49] Starting job 5,CPU time has been restored to 6284.047882. [00:48:57] Finished Job #5 [00:48:57] Starting job 6,CPU time has been restored to 6694.112111. [00:56:06] Finished Job #6 [00:56:06] Starting job 7,CPU time has been restored to 7096.797492. [01:05:00] Finished Job #7 [01:05:00] Starting job 8,CPU time has been restored to 7626.592488. [01:11:37] Finished Job #8 [01:11:37] Starting job 9,CPU time has been restored to 8018.279799. [01:18:40] Finished Job #9 [01:18:40] Starting job 10,CPU time has been restored to 8437.189284. [01:32:58] Finished Job #10 [01:32:58] Starting job 11,CPU time has been restored to 9286.645929. [01:41:54] Finished Job #11 [01:41:54] Starting job 12,CPU time has been restored to 9818.422138. [03:07:17] Finished Job #12 [03:07:17] Starting job 13,CPU time has been restored to 14867.082501. [05:14:49] Finished Job #13 [05:14:49] Starting job 14,CPU time has been restored to 22440.197846. [07:20:34] Finished Job #14 [07:20:34] Starting job 15,CPU time has been restored to 29933.253479. [10:27:17] Finished Job #15 10:27:27 (1656): called boinc_finish </stderr_txt> ]]> With mine, there was a 11 minute difference between the elapsed and actual time (11:33:59 vs. 11:22:24). I didn't see much (if any) slowing down of the system - although there again, it processed whilst I slept  Edit : The fifth copy completed without any issues - and thus, mine is now valid BETA_ E200515_ 657_ A.26.C21H12N4S.3.set1d06_ 4-- 633 Valid 23/10/10 08:55:50 23/10/10 21:08:49 7.45 142.7 / 186.4  [Edit 1 times, last edit by gb009761 at Oct 23, 2010 10:33:49 PM] |
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Sekerob
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On experimenting, fought a battle to get one Beta onto my Linux quad taking 12 hours to download (separate post/thread/story) and it's now concurrently running with 2 production CEP2 jobs so as to push the envelope a little... the purpose of testing is if we can break things under normal operation ;o)
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sk..
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No doubt going by Elapsed Time for Credit & Run Time makes more sense than using CPU run time for this project, but there are issues and it might not go down well for other projects (WCG and non-WCG). Also just because the latest Boinc Beta client may report elapsed time does not necessarily mean the present server is setup to read it.
From 6 Betas, each on a different platform I only had one immediate failure. However, I would agree, just running a task is not much of a Beta. Given the failures I saw from restarts, task suspensions and usage restrictions I think the Betas should be extended so people can try using their systems, changing settings on Boinc, opening and closing Boinc and so on, to see if the tasks fail in the same way. I'm going to try a suspend and time of day on Linux and Vista x86, and then a Boinc restart if successful. Only 2 tasks still running. Note the 2 day return deadline for resends: Project Name: Beta - The Clean Energy Project - Phase 2 Created: 22/10/10 Name: BETA_E200515_335_A.25.C20H14N2OSSi.27.1.set1d06 Minimum Quorum: 2 Replication: 2 Result Name App Version Number Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit BETA_ E200515_ 335_ A.25.C20H14N2OSSi.27.1.set1d06_ 3-- - In Progress 22/10/10 20:54:18 24/10/10 20:54:18 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ E200515_ 335_ A.25.C20H14N2OSSi.27.1.set1d06_ 2-- - In Progress 22/10/10 20:40:13 24/10/10 20:40:13 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ E200515_ 335_ A.25.C20H14N2OSSi.27.1.set1d06_ 1-- 633 Error 22/10/10 20:03:16 22/10/10 20:46:41 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ E200515_ 335_ A.25.C20H14N2OSSi.27.1.set1d06_ 0-- 633 Error 22/10/10 20:03:12 22/10/10 20:26:36 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 |
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Sekerob
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Smokin' only 1 3/4 minute gap after 2 hours on Linux, but holding on to horses as the hole usually gets bigger after those initial few hours. 97% efficiency versus 91 and 88 percent resp. on the 2 regular CEP2 jobs.
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No doubt going by Elapsed Time for Credit & Run Time makes more sense than using CPU run time for this project, but there are issues and it might not go down well for other projects (WCG and non-WCG). Also just because the latest Boinc Beta client may report elapsed time does not necessarily mean the present server is setup to read it. 6.10 does that already ... from the server side, still reporting version 601 (for years now), but that means little as many patches have been dropping in since. Other projects have long tweaked their credit system to consider system loads and resource usage, so in that it would be calling spades if that were to raise a complaint. It's an idea to acknowledge the resource usage. Mind you how that new credit system works I don't know, so if that's near, I'd not rattle this particular cage.
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sk..
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The Linux task had already finished but I did manage to do some testing on Vista x86 and XP x86.
----------------------------------------Vista x86: At 9h 50min (76% complete) 3h 12min to run, Last Checkpoint 9.05 CPU Time 9.10 Elapsed Time 9.50 Leave app in memory ticked. Suspended task and Resumed. Task picked up from where it was exactly. Changed to leave app in memory unchecked. Suspended task and Resumed. Task picked up from last check point. Last Checkpoint 9.05 CPU Time 9.05 Elapsed Time 9.45 So the elapsed time fell back by 5min, along with the CPU Time. Boinc closed and opened without Beta issue. Task now at 11h. XP x86: About 1h 30min into run. Leave app in memory unchecked. Suspended task and Resumed. Task picked up from a very early check point. CPU Time and Elapsed Time went all the way back to 13min :( Boinc closed and opened without Beta issue and no problems after restart. Perhaps we need tasks to checkpoint on suspend & exit somehow. Would be a useful default Boinc setting, along with reporting completed tasks. [Edit 1 times, last edit by skgiven at Oct 23, 2010 12:38:20 PM] |
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kateiacy
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 23, 2010 Post Count: 1027 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Good news/bad news re the one beta I got (on Linux).
----------------------------------------Good: It ran without error and validated. The discepancy between CPU time and elapsed time at the end was only 6 min. Bad: It seems to have run more SLOWLY than the regular CEP2 WUs on this machine. CEP2 WUs on this 1.8 GHz dual core Atom D525 with HT usually get to somewhere between job #8 and job #13 before being stopped at 12 hrs. This beta didn't even finish job #2.  |
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nasher
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 2, 2005 Post Count: 1422 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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yea the beta seems to be running but its seems to be running but also seems to be eating up all the other resources of the computer.
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Sekerob
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Lassies and Lads, lets not forget that this IS an Opt-In science. I'm sure WCG works to accommodate as many as possible, but eventually somewhere the line has to be drawn and the specs locked in. If this work does eat resources to the point of un-usablity tweak the client settings to only run them when a device is idle. Those who have months of experience on Linux (moi for instance), have not found it to be excessive and the latest beta on my 4 year old duo centrino is also quite unobtrusive... so if P4's cant keep up or whatever device nasher is referring to, than that is a pity, but has to be.
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