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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

The picture above hadn't quite developed the square and compass Masonic symbol from two more existing streets.

The alien dude is pretty cute.
Oh, I get it, you are laughing at the Illuminati thing again. Or the Freemasons, or whatever...
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First there was NOAA who published the SST El Nino State 3.4 (See SOI charts through February some 20-30 posts up for reference).



Then the British MET published the Ocean temperatures, it generally long established that the top 2 meters is very well mixed (waves) with excellent atmospheric interaction.



Anyone will be able to derive from 71% of global surface, that it is the root source of most all vapor cycling through the atmosphere. Yes, it looks like anomalously warm surface is not limited to the Pacific, where ENSO lives.

Then Dr. Roy Spencer hopped by with his new and further improved temps v 5.3 in the below chart from my kitchen, showing Southern Hemisphere in blue bars, Northern Hemisphere in Red bars and purple bars for the global mean. Dr. Roy is a firm AGW rejecter.



Yes, the CO2 atmospheric readings were up again, though real cold should have helped the Oceans to absorb more, rather then less... but that top 2 meters is not cold as can be seen in the MET HADSST chart.

Kindly, Dr. James Hansen, who's entirely on the other side of the AGW spectrum, he's been warning for nearly 3 decades, quite prolifically, did his RSS 3.2 and provided data to produce the next chart:



And then for truly global (something HADCRU does as yet not do), GISTEMP through February of this year. A persistent El Nino and lots of snow on land, that seems in most places to come and go and come and go, but not sticking in place as it used to do some decades ago.



It looks like it's upward bound and that sun still in a semi comatose near spotless state. It's that purple bar that's worrying.

edit: oops the RSS 3.2 link failed, so that was fixed.
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On the outside chance, one might ask, where the purple bars came from in my charts. Well, they're an evolution at least from the next chart David Autumns (DA) posted in that removed 7336 posts long thread [some gave a sigh at the time]. He made this rather had scratching point (to me and some), that showing 20 years was enough (though DA had long been explained many a time that to see climate change above the weather noise, it needed at 30 years... 30 discrete data points).



Note there's no source reference in the chart, but it was DA's well accepted HADCRUT3v.

I took that at the time as-is and went to show not only global, but also identifying the Northern And Southern Hemisphere parts. North is where ~90% of humans live, South the other ~10%. It's kind of logical as most land mass is on the NH where also the largest amount of temperate climed land is suitable for agricultature, mostly grains and lately lots of corn for bio-fuels.



With permission, I'm happy to reproduce the response he gave to this chart in all it's original splendor. The summation is, he thanked me for making his point. Except, a former CA noted that DA was fooled only absorbing the green trace line, calling it underhanded what I'd done. It merely followed the top of the global temps per HadCCRU, it just designed to drive a point home, and it did. DA may remember, or not, this just as having recorded history on hand for later erörterung.

At any rate, DA's HADCRU is under investigation for a 100 different contrived xxxxGates based on stolen emails from the University of East Anglia and annotations in software scripts which were strictly for private research exploration, but never used in actual published temperature data and charts, so are present findings. When that was evident, HADCRUT3v was updated from Sept'09 to Dec'09 to show this (there's no 2010 temp data in this version though the header prints 1 month 2010)



Dr. Phil Jones has been prosecuted the McCarthy style, except the many reconstructions since have evidenced that whatever Dr. Jones did, it can only have had but minute impact of the lowest insignificance, as all and every reconstruction done shows: Temps are on the way up, with or without sunspots. Anyone who wishes to see global cooling may... it makes no difference whatsoever. The BAUees will be served with a bill larger than any tax bill. 2010 is looking to become... well the weathermen will tell us in the coming 6 months, but if the guys of Wattergate are amongst them is not clear. Even Lucia Lindgren now has a reconstruction up showing the temp charts are sound and irrefutable.

To be continued...

PS: MIT study shows windmills puts the break on airflow causing local warming. Better NIMBY that.
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Come on Sek you know the NASA GISS, from the granddaddy of Global Warming James Hansen, has an appropriate amount of fiddle factor applied to it to make fit the CO2 Hypothesis

Don't make me have to demonstrate why this is the case

0.71C again for Feb. Whatever anyone else says, at GISS, for you and me baby the only way is up.
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You keep repeating that, yet you DA, have no evidence, zippo zilch, and repeating the Ain't True ad infinitum is not going to have the problem go away.

The last charts are HADCRU btw, case you missed it... those don't measure the largest risen areas... the Polar regions. You full well know that, yet you fail to admit it... bring on your sea ice charts, showing yesterdays weather. Remember though, do they jive with compress and grind? Sea Ice Extent is NOT area and NOT volume. You might want to read Spencer Waerts' The Discovery of Global Warming, repeatedly. Bet you 10 quatloos you wont make it past the prologue.
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PS, DA, it's the baselines, remember, the baselines? Each of my charts print the period each of the tempkeepers use. Maybe you do what many have done before. Recalibrate all to the same baseline and then overlay. It's the things that scare you, you can't see. Just project in your mind, if you can bring yourself to it, and overlay the 2 lines in this for SST. Would they, could they?



That's 71% of the planets surface cover. Now why are they warming, those oceans?

edit: oops, swapped the Y-Axis colors... almost caused confusion [well if there could be anything at all to add in that department. Added 3 months HADSST and 4 months NOAASST, latest available.
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I have no evidence zippo zilch that the figures are massaged

LOL

OK you asked for it. I might take some time to gather together all those URL (there are so many) but today I am busy chilling.


I will be back

Rest assured

Dave

p.s. how's your disappearing North Pole? :-)
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When you are done busy chilling [deflecting on the disappearing North-pole that only the Aint True-ist said it was said], do bring the corroborations on your URL links... some that have actual scientific foothold, you know, the level that Darwin, Wallace, Galilee, Copernicus, Einstein, Curie brought... can't have it that you could be considered a cherry picker using sources as such (il)luminaries as Monckton, Pielke, McIntyre, Watts, Booker now can there be? Btw McIntyre was on his blog reciting about his mineral investments in Canada and two new enterprises. He's a mining engineer from origin. Would he have kind of a conflict of interest not wanting the ugly truth to surface?

A PS for the PS: Think you're on a Brownian Motion random walk... bouncing back and forth, yet totally unawares of that general direction. Here's how that motion looks like:



PPS, we have found a what Dr. Jones used as an annotation in a mail... a trick to shrink images to forum size. See if you can replicate.
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When we're busy doing something, as being busy chilling is unhealthy, it should take no effort me thinketh, a letter came in from a reader at Real Climate. Verbatim:
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A letter from a reader (reproduced with permission):

Dear RealClimate team:

I have a background in biology and studied at post-grad level in the area of philosophy of science. For the last few years, I have been working on a book about the logic of argument used in debates between creationists and evolutionists.

About a year ago I decided it was time to properly educate myself about climate science. Being perhaps a little too influenced by Harry M Collins’ “The Golem” (and probably too much modern French philosophy!), I was definitely predisposed to see group-think, political and cultural bias in the work of climatologists.

On the whole, though, I tried hard to follow the principles of genuine skepticism, as I understood them.

Obviously, there are plenty of ill-considered opinions to be found either side of any issue, but only the most ignorant person could fail to see the terrible intellectual gulf between the quality of so-called skeptic sites and those defending the science behind the AGW thesis.

What convinced me, though, is that the arguments made by a few sites like yours are explicit and testable. In particular, it is useful that RealClimate sticks to the science as much as possible. It has been a lot of hard work to get here, but I am now at a point where I understand the fundamentals of climate science well enough to articulate them to others.

For my part, I am grateful to you guys. I hope it gives you some small amount of satisfaction to know that your work can convert readers who really were skeptics in the beginning. I use the word ’skeptic’ carefully – the one thing most commonly absent from the so-called ’skeptics’ is authentic skepticism.

By the way, my book is an attempt to categorise the various logical errors people fall into when they search for arguments to support a conclusion to which they have arrived at a priori. It will now have a few chapters on global warming.

All the best,


He kind of nailed it and took the effort, maybe even reading Spencer Waert's The Discovery of Global Warming.
(did not read any comments, but low and behold, the first comment to that letter. A prolific statistician too thinking it's nailing it right on the head.)

DA, you lament science as not being what it used to be. Well, whatever 'science' you learned, it's not what I learned, before you did! Science finds answers, your science has the answer and then goes out to find the science with the answer for the desired outcome. Face it, it's inconvenient and comes with a bill for the past. If we, that can see don't watch out you'll drag us all onto Amy's downhill... till then we're on that Brownian Motion, uphill.
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p.s. how's your disappearing North Pole? :-)


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