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retsof
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retsof your problem is geography not global warming Texas spans 25 degrees 50 mins north to 36 degrees 30 mins north Mid Texas 31 degrees 10 mins North Have a look where the Sahara lies. Have look where Afghanistan lies. Flip over your Globe and follow the same number of degrees South and check out where the Atacama lies There's your problem Here's the reason why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadley_cell Did you actually read the conclusions at all that you sent? There's that namesake of the Hadley Centre again. Climate change? Eeek! Hadley cell expansion There is some evidence that the expansion of the Hadley cells is related to climate change. The majority of earth's driest and arid regions are located in the areas underneath the descending branches of the Hadley circulation around 30 degrees latitude. Both idealised and more realistic climate model experiments show that the Hadley cell expands with increased global mean temperature (perhaps by 2 degrees latitude over the 21st century); this can lead to large changes in precipitation in the latitudes at the edge of the cells. Scientists fear that the ongoing presence of global warming might bring drastic changes to the ecosystems in the deep tropics and that the deserts will become drier and expand. As the areas around 30 degrees latitude become drier, those inhabiting in that region will see less rainfall than traditionally expected, which could cause major problems with food supplies and habitability. Hadley Cell expansion is a clear indicator of climate change, as it can affect earth's mean temperature in drastic ways. A poleward expansion of the Hadley cell could have a dramatic impact on locations such as southwestern North America, the Mediterranean, southern South America, South Asia and Australia. Central Texas is the same latitude as Cairo, Egypt but we do not have a sphinx. There is only one. Coasts are oriented differently, but we do get sand from the Sahara now and then that is blown all the way across the Atlantic. There are also La Nina and El Nino effects that cause more or less rainfall here not mentioned in steady state cells. Officially it is semi-arid here. Scotland is at the same latitude as Labrador. If it stops getting our heat from the Gulf Stream it can go back to being cold.
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David Autumns
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and you think that all Climate Change is driven by the 0.0392% of the atmosphere that is CO2
----------------------------------------If that's the case then yes you are right For the rest of us in the real world the Climate is affected by a multitude of variables that tiny change effected by Mankind surviving day to day in a trace atmospheric gas responsible for the whole food chain being just one of them Dave  |
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David Autumns
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Texas it is true in between Atlantic and Pacific and next door to the Gulf
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retsof
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Texas it is true in between Atlantic and Pacific and next door to the Gulf one factor of manySo it is affected by ENSO, NAO and PDO all of which affect the Climate in Texas So are you still going to attribute the current drought in Texas to Mankind?
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retsof
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and you think that all Climate Change is driven by the 0.0392% of the atmosphere that is CO2 The effect of a greenhouse gas is more than you can get out of a trace number. It is more than nothing and less than all of it.If that's the case then yes you are right For the rest of us in the real world the Climate is affected by a multitude of variables that tiny change effected by Mankind surviving day to day in a trace atmospheric gas responsible for the whole food chain being just one of them Dave The greenhouse effect of a non-greenhouse gas like nitrogen that is most of the atmosphere is zero.
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retsof
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Still no Hurricane on shore video news reports of massive flooding from the non-hurricanehttp://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/videos-sh...e-flooding-153510538.html 250 roads in Vermont, a small state, were damaged or destroyed and 4 antique covered bridges were washed away.
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retsof
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Texas it is true in between Atlantic and Pacific and next door to the Gulf Climate change makes the regular drought "even more extreme".\So it is affected by ENSO, NAO and PDO all of which affect the Climate in Texas So are you still going to attribute the current drought in Texas to Mankind? http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/climate-change-and-the-texas-drought/
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retsof
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and you think that all Climate Change is driven by the 0.0392% of the atmosphere that is CO2 The effect of a greenhouse gas is more than you can get out of a trace number. It is more than nothing and less than all of it.If that's the case then yes you are right For the rest of us in the real world the Climate is affected by a multitude of variables that tiny change effected by Mankind surviving day to day in a trace atmospheric gas responsible for the whole food chain being just one of them Dave The greenhouse effect of a non-greenhouse gas like nitrogen that is most of the atmosphere is zero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas Greenhouse gases greatly affect the temperature of the Earth; without them, Earth's surface would be on average about 33 °C (59 °F) colder than at present. Water vapor H2O 36 – 72 % contribution Carbon dioxide CO2 9 – 26 % contribution from 0.0392% Methane CH4 4 – 9 % contribution Ozone O3 3 – 7 % contribution
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GeraldRube
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Water vapor H2O 36 – 72 % contribution
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GeraldRube, note the ranges 36 to 72%. The share per component are not absolute in a vertical column of air, where mixes vary... the water vapor content!
----------------------------------------Noted that the wiki has reduced the residency time of water vapor from 10 to 9 days... 4% more water vapor, due added heat in the system, rains out quicker. The water dump that Irene took, that what retsof pointed at what tropical storms carry, and hurricanes too, it just not well appreciated. Was reading that Perry is on his knees to beg for a few TSs to the southern states. Regrettably, leaking huge amounts of oil and 4 million gallons of detergent may have done something to the Gulf water surface... lets call it the cohesion of that thin micrometer thin film could have done something to the vapor cycle. There's some speculation on the loose out on the intertube. Puny man. --//-- P.S. US Hurricanes are measured on the Saffir-Simpson index, not some UK Met table... a fringe detail over a sodden political debate if a H1 or a TS made landfall. Last news, 35 deaths attributed, weeks without power are possible for large communities:  edit: To add to the first line in this post, the wiki states the list only is showing the most important GHGs. For a longer list see my reference to the AGGI index or look up Tyndall gases. The Houston chronicle has a 4 part article on this and John Tyndall is easily found in the wiki world... figure that... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall , he was still alive when Langley was doing his measurements from Lunar back radiation. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Aug 30, 2011 7:57:40 PM] |
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