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GeraldRube
Master Cruncher United States Joined: Nov 20, 2004 Post Count: 2153 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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GeraldRube, note the ranges 36 to 72%. The share per component are not absolute in a vertical column of air, where mixes vary... the water vapor content!----------I know there is a min and max but that is weather it constantly changes--and about Irene she was a non hurricane here,where compared to Isabelle at least here it was not a issue--much overblown for our area.Even the rain was gone in a day but i do know what the folks up north are going through
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Former Member
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Water vapor H2O 36 â 72 % contribution Carbon dioxide CO2 9 â 26 % contribution from 0.0392% Methane CH4 4 â 9 % contribution Ozone O3 3 â 7 % contribution---thats 114%--something wrong here?? so much for settled science GeraldRube, you added up the maxima, so if you know about the ranges, I do not understand the purpose of making the sum and questioning it. I'd leave science to the scientists if I were you and ignore the ignorati with Watts and Goddard as mouth pieces. Since there was the hand-flapping in this thread on the Texas drought, did some reading on the specific conditions, which in summary comes down to it being largely a self propelled system due lack of moisture in the soils, from years of build up... search for ''soil moisture, rainfall feedback"... it did not start in 2011, nor 2010. It's almost like a virtual wall surrounding that region and they'll literally are in need of several TSses to dump large amounts of water, except, most will run off as quick as it comes down. Very dry ground is not very conducive to absorption. From the visits to Texas I remember if it rained it rained by the bucket. Last time I thought from air it seemed allot greener than in the 80's. Maybe it was seasonal, but this is a July observation. Brazil actually has desertification features building due the old rain forest water vapor cycle interruption... large scale deforestation. Katia is on the way... hope it makes nowhere landfall, not even comes within a hundred miles of the coastline, to include all the Caribbean islands that are somehow always forgotten. --//-- |
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retsof
Former Community Advisor USA Joined: Jul 31, 2005 Post Count: 6824 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Is it true that the force of Hurricane Irene has been overblown? (sorry that was a pun) 12 inches (30cm) of rain in the northeast from a far north tropical storm has not yet run off and is piling up in 100 year floods. Floods have not even crested yet and some are much higher than flood records set in 1938. Every watercourse in Vermont is flooded. 1000 roads are damaged in Connecticut and 260 in Vermont.3 million homes are still without power. Many towns are totally cut off and supplies are being airlifted. Hundreds and hundreds of rescues were needed. Death toll, 41 and counting. President Obama declared a state of emergency for 11 states. 30,000 chickens were killed in Maryland. Damage estimates are $3 billion so far but floods will likely raise it. Regular insurance does not include flood insurance, so likely individuals will have to bear the costs of this. Flood insurance there does not include basement flooding. Huh? Why not?
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retsof
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Katia is on the way... hope it makes nowhere landfall, not even comes within a hundred miles of the coastline, to include all the Caribbean islands that are somehow always forgotten. The hurricane list runs on a 6 year cycle. Since Katrina was a major storm and the name was retired, it was replaced with Katia.--//-- Will Irene retire? http://news.yahoo.com/hurricane-irenes-name-retired-183010014.html Irene she was a non hurricane here,where compared to Isabelle at least here it was not a issue--much overblown for our area. Everybody focuses on windspeed, but tropical storms can sit in one spot and spin and generate piles of rain.Connecticut had twice as many power failures from Irene as it did for Gloria, which was a "real" hurricane.
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The August figure is in
----------------------------------------The baseline continues January 2011 1.44C Febuary 2011 2.90C March 2011 6.98C April 2011 12.26C May 2011 16.16C June 2011 20.43C July 2011 22.79C August 2011 22.17C Not quite sure why August is colder than July what with all that green house gas blocking the Planets heat from escaping back into outer space but hey it must be true Unadulterated by Climate Scientists... ![]() ![]() |
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KWSN - A Shrubbery
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If you're actually trying to make a case for or against climate change by using monthly data, you have seriously missed the distinction between the concepts of weather and climate. I suggest you understand this distinction before pursuing the debate further.
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Just a note on Irene
----------------------------------------Not denying that the effect of the "Hurricane" wasn't bad. Not a good day if you are a Maryland Chicken it seems. Just, as this is a discussion on our using fossil fuel to power society, was it made worse by Mankind? And, as a side issue, was the reality of Irene over-hyped as part of the ongoing Man Made Global Warming campaign? The clear outcome on the former is No and on the latter Yes Hurricane Irene like Auntie Irene - a bit windy Dave ![]() |
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David Autumns
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Hi KWSN - A Shrubbery
----------------------------------------No it's a work in progress After the Climategate emails of late 2009 it is clear that the major temperature series maintained by NASA GISS and the Hadley Climate Research Unit are "massaged" "have fiddle factors introduced" "corrections" you know that kind of thing. They all use the same source data and yet don't arrive at the same answer It is also clear that the source data (which has been subsequently post-processed) no longer exists. So, appallingly, after the effort that has gone in to collecting all of this weather data across the years the likes of Hadley CRU have flushed this info down the toilet The bottom line is that the current data series cannot be trusted because they can not be reproduced even by the "Scientists" that present them to the World as fact Facts that have enormous consequences to everybody's lives and potential Given that this is the case and that "Climate Scientists" are scaring the World with predictions of 1.5C, 2C, 6C increases over the next 89 years I thought I would get together a database of real temperature measurements presented, as is, where we really can compare apples with apples The source data is the METAR produced by NOAA's Land based weather stations around the globe. By comparing the same set year on year we will know the truth. At the end of each year I will review which stations are still producing live 24/7 valid data and strip out all the ones that have gone obsolete from throughout the record At the moment the station producing hourly data 24/7 number ~2680 and range the Globe from Afghanistan to Yeman If the Globe is warming in the fashion described by the Alarmists as the year pass this will be seen If like me you believe that there are far more important elements to the complex climate equation than simply CO2 then the graph will rise and fall with the year by year natural variation. Rest assured I will not lose my record of NOAA's data and I am stubbornly persistent and patient. I hope that one day the graph above will replace Mann's Hockey Stick as the truth regarding Earth's Climate and will be used pragmatically by Politician's with our best interests at heart to guide the policy for all our futures ..until then Dave ![]() |
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KWSN - A Shrubbery
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Irene was definitely over-hyped, but this is not driven by the global warming campaign. This is a direct result of dysfunctional political systems and the way that the public views the likelihood of disasters affecting them personally.
----------------------------------------In short, there is no benefit and significant political downsides for a governmental agency to state the most likely scenario and be branded for not warning people when it is unexpectedly worse than predicted, however there is no drawback for them to overstate the danger and then simply say "we were lucky" when it doesn't live up to the hype. Where the real downside comes in is when these "cry wolf" warnings are issued for the next hurricane and they are ignored because the last "major" hurricane wasn't all that bad and then thousands lose their lives for failure to heed the warning. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13616 - And David, please do check out the Cato institute. I think you'll find that our opinions really aren't that far apart. ![]() Distributed computing volunteer since September 27, 2000 [Edit 1 times, last edit by KWSN - A Shrubbery at Sep 1, 2011 3:04:26 AM] |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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as a FYI
----------------------------------------15,692,263 individual temperature measurements make up the graph so far ![]() ![]() |
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