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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Is it true that the force of Hurricane Irene has been overblown? (sorry that was a pun)

Anyone from the area like to report first hand?

Weatherspark.com is reporting windspeeds in the area of landfall just north of Wilmington of max 50mph (23m/s)

This would make it a strong gale on the Beaufort Scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale

Hurricane Ike still the last Hurricane to make landfall in the USA back in 2008?

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Here's the link to the weather station in New York's Central Park

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KNYC.html

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Hurricane Ike still the last Hurricane to make landfall in the USA back in 2008?

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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Is it true that the force of Hurricane Irene has been overblown? (sorry that was a pun)

Anyone from the area like to report first hand?

Weatherspark.com is reporting windspeeds in the area of landfall just north of Wilmington of max 50mph (23m/s)

This would make it a strong gale on the Beaufort Scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale

Hurricane Ike still the last Hurricane to make landfall in the USA back in 2008?

Dave

Probably a real-time disconnect with the world



Figure 1. True-color MODIS image of Hurricane Irene over North Carolina taken at 11:35 am EDT August 27, 2011. At the time, Irene was a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph. Image credit: NASA.

Happens to the best.

When done, it's estimated from the models that it will add 20 ACE points to the 2011 accumulation.

Only in this thread one will read that between 2007 and 2011 there were 3 good years in the Arctic. Feel free to take assessment of that statement, and many others:



Anyone not understanding there were no 3 ''good'' years?

CO2 is on the rise in the atmosphere... 2010 so far saw record human output. After eliminating all other possible variables, that's the element that stands out as not normal in our unnaturally warming climate... in fact it's 40% higher than 2 centuries ago and from their signature we know it's all [puny] man made releases.

Not food for thought to too many.

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P.S. Do only USA landfall hurricanes count? Lets not talk Tornados (160 deaths in Joplin e.g.), Typhoons, Tropical Storms etc. The total Northern Hemisphere ACE [model based], before Irene came along, was already ahead of normal... inconvenient truths.
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no no real time disconnect

The observations on the ground don't make it a Cat 1 hurricane just a strong gale

The kind of strong gale we get in the UK 2 or 3 times a year when colleagues might remark "Bit breezy last night"

The wind got up to 50mph at land fall

New York Central Park 20mph gusting to 38mph

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KNYC.html

right now - real real time data


The only disconnect is in the fearmongering hype which runs in parallel with the Climate Change hype

Now there's an example self sustaining positive feedback loop Sek


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oh and

Man has heart attack while shuttering house
Man falls from Ladders while shuttering house
Surfer drowns

Do not count as "Hurricane" Irene caused deaths

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By the same measures applied to "Hurricane" Irene

There's a Category 2 Hurricane lashing, pummeling, bearing down on and roaring through Scotland unleashing it's terrifying power

Run for your life tropical Scotland it's worse than we thought

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moving 15mph sse of atlantic city 75mph speed gusting 75+.
came ashore 17mph in nc 90mph wind gusting 95+.
600 miles wide. only 6 deid at this time. scheduled to come close to nyc in approximatly 2-3 hours.
presently 958mb.
flooding has started at long island already.
the wind speed being 75mph at ground level so a 80 story building like in nyc will equat to apprx 100mph. Lots of glass arround there.
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

no no real time disconnect

The observations on the ground don't make it a Cat 1 hurricane just a strong gale

The kind of strong gale we get in the UK 2 or 3 times a year when colleagues might remark "Bit breezy last night"

The wind got up to 50mph at land fall

New York Central Park 20mph gusting to 38mph

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/KNYC.html

right now - real real time data


The only disconnect is in the fearmongering hype which runs in parallel with the Climate Change hype

Now there's an example self sustaining positive feedback loop Sek


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Yup, just as you get in the UK 2-3 times a year... there's more underway: Slowly but steadily, a stormier Europe

Nothing against fish mongering, but they have had an odor to them the last few months... Yesterday 29.3C at 8:45, 31.4 at 11:00, 36.2 at 16:00. Our 'normal' for August is 23C. All with a lullaby sun state... 0.0083% as 2011 mean below 2003. Those that know there is a driver there that is opaque to long wave radiation as emitted by our planet and it reaches way way above the clouds: The Discovery of Global Warming

no no, no no no, no disconnect... increasing weather irregularity and extremes, not excluding the save haven called UK, will be our all part, all 7 billion for decades to come.

NOAA revised the climate normal recently... they'll do it again... expectation: WARMER! How come, with that lulling sun, on a declining trend since the 50ties?

Food for thought, but not to all!

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P.S. Tarmac radiating at night... how much is there [that Watts, Authumns et al claims to distort global temp reading?] Is Spencer misreading?



Look up Snowmac, Seaicemac, Desertmac, Glaziermac, Hungermac, Droughtmac, Tyfoonmac, Dusbowlmac, Croplostmac AND WImac. One day, you'll have to face the 'real' Gobsmac. Some are building or already have completed to build their cave in save havens, amongst some climate scientists who're not telling the full story on what's coming [so we get a highly moderated IPCC report]... whistle blowers get persecuted such as Dr. Charles Monnett and Dr. Micheal Mann and Dr. Philip Jones and Dr. James Hansen... that's the world of 'Inconvenient Truth'... and Ruperts listening into phone-conversations and stealing emails. Are you okay with that?

The usual silence on facts that matter and howling on fear mongering is no doubt following. What's new? Governments have an obligation to act on coming ''potential'' major disasters and if a hurricane by the stroke of luck veers off, than it was a stroke of luck. Guy smashed by broken tree-limb... did not fall off the ladder. The count attributed is 9 deaths and 3 million households without power. http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/hurric...se-stay-inside/50155936/1

160 death in Joplin... no warning and deeply regretted that no one was warned, could be warned... The complacency and statistical chances it would not hit a town and obliterate a town for a large part... lets defund the scientists & research, for they had this one wrong too. So continue the downplay with ''It Aint True''. Maybe those of faith are fine with whatever happens. There's a larger group that ain't sitting back and let it happen to all 7 billion, no matter what prosecutions.
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You'll gonna love this, David Autumns:

In the 'known' news, the Suez-max-sized supertanker crossing through the Arctic... also on BBC news:
http://www.barentsobserver.com/first-supertan...-route.4951370-16178.html

This was also in the Barents Observer:

Preparing for next year's Northern Sea Route season
http://www.barentsobserver.com/preparing-for-...season.4832790-16175.html

3 conventional and 3 nuclear powered ice-breaker vessels approved for construction, at cost of many hundreds of millions. See, miniaturized nuclear power... one pathway to get rid of coal powered plants and clean up the air... pebble bed NPs would do it too, at a very small footprint compared to wind-farms.

Oh, and look at that with that great arctic state... Friday news:

Japanese bulk carrier sets record on Northern Sea Route

http://www.barentsobserver.com/japanese-bulk-...rn-sea-route.4952254.html

It ain't happening, it ain't true. But that icebreaker build up is to make sure that heavy equipment can be transported to coastal Russia/Siberia... for oil and gas drilling, large part of the continental shelf there are shallow... the bottom is permafrosted, so not sure sure whether the drilling planning is for flat-boats or jack-ups. There is no road/rail infrastructure anywhere there, not on the permafrost thawing Canadian/Alaska side either... road/railtrack is guaranteed to collapse the way things are going and with the way things are going, corporations will adapt to their mode of operation... well ahead of the rest of the pack.

Yes, things we think of, which is food for thought to some others too, more than you'd ever consider. Planning is foresight. Governments saw there was reason to act with the worst scenarios in mind. Not many objected, few fatalities occurred so far, and yes some with weaker health might get a heart-failure when on ladder, when without a passing hurricane they'd probably would not have been. The guy had shutters on his house, so he'll have known what could come by, and will have been in stress. Would you, had you been there?

David, wake up, the world is a rude place. If you're on your belly, behind a brick wall, bullets flying by the hundreds coming from thugs terrorizing a community, then you know what reality is. Have you ever had to in your save corner where 2-3 storms pass without much ado, because it is YOUR 'normal' and houses in your range are build for this? Tens of millions Americans live in wooden places, which by coincidence sequester CO2 too for longer periods. They're not going to stand even a serious brush of an Irene.

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P.S. Not sure all members are in appreciation of your current funpack joy. I've missed it utterly and completely and at this time. An H2 ran through Houston/Galveston.
By the same measures applied to "Hurricane" Irene

There's a Category 2 Hurricane lashing, pummeling, bearing down on and roaring through Scotland unleashing it's terrifying power

Run for your life tropical Scotland it's worse than we thought


The previous last USA landfall, Ike, Galveston particularly has not recovered fully... a destroyed wastewater processing plant and in 2010 still being discussed: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headline...Galveston-repair-8160.ece

Where did/does that water go in the interim? Don't think I'll be eating Gulf of Mexico fish for longer, not with that millions of gallons of the BP leak related oil detergent in it for sure. The fish for food dependent will unknowingly get the health-bill served.

edits: Several for spelling... those Sses that are needed and the Sses that are not in Inglese... let alone Apostrophe S's.
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